Can we start being more strict on casual versus competitive?

[Kaylesh]

so the proposition is that budget builds and homebrews should be casual?

If you put it like that I feel even more strongly against it. The thing about magic is that everyone can build. Not everyone is as good, but you don't have to be employed by a major team to be able to build a deck. Let alone ask advice on it.

[mickeven]

Kay im with you 100%. im against that propostion.

[redwolv]

I guess i better build my UW jace, gideon, hangerback standard deck with a dozen fetch lands and tango lands so i can post my deck. It will be over 600-700 bucks, will that be competative enough i can post in standard again? Gonna fill the rest of the deck with lifelink creatures and ojutai's.

[griffin131]

The people who won't buy tangos because they're expensive aren't making competitive lists. That's a budget list that should be in casual.

And if I'm not playing battles because I'm running G/B and there isn't one?

And who says budget lists should be in casual?  Should anyone opting not to buy Goyfs in modern be relegated to Casual?


The forums are formats. Casual is a format.

You completely missed my point. If your deck needs a card to improve, but you're too cheap to spend $4 on it, then it's a casual deck.

If you want to build twin, but don't want to buy serum visions because of the price, it's a casual deck.

I got your point. But you're using the name of a format (Casual) to describe budget decks.
If I want to play modern on a budget, referring me to the Casual format forum won't help - I'll get suggestions about non Modern cards.

[Prplprince]

The people who won't buy tangos because they're expensive aren't making competitive lists. That's a budget list that should be in casual.

And if I'm not playing battles because I'm running G/B and there isn't one?

And who says budget lists should be in casual?  Should anyone opting not to buy Goyfs in modern be relegated to Casual?


The forums are formats. Casual is a format.

You completely missed my point. If your deck needs a card to improve, but you're too cheap to spend $4 on it, then it's a casual deck.

If you want to build twin, but don't want to buy serum visions because of the price, it's a casual deck.

I got your point. But you're using the name of a format (Casual) to describe budget decks.
If I want to play modern on a budget, referring me to the Casual format forum won't help - I'll get suggestions about non Modern cards.

And there's our problem. The casual page can't give the advice you're looking for as let's say the modern page.

[MuggyWuggy]

Jesus this is splitting hairs, just scroll a little bit

[mickeven]

Jesus this is splitting hairs, just scroll a little bit

[redwolv]

I posted my new deck, in standard guys. I hope it's competitive enough even though its only 800 bucks but uses some cards less then a dollar. I hope thats ok, and it won't be considered casual.

[Mattao19]

Lol are you guys kidding? Or just being immature asses for no reason?

Burn is a comp cheap deck. Soul sisters is a semi comp cheap deck. There's tons of cheap semi comp decks out there. What Taysby is saying is that if you chose to play {Lightning Strike} instead of {Lightning Bolt} it is no longer competitive as it's strictly worse.

Llama the Treasure Hunt list was fake the guy entering it on mtgtop8 said he did it as a joke while he waited for the real results. Yes Gerry T wrote an article on it but it was false

Comp decks don't need to be $$$$$ they just need to be literally competitive. That means no  {Flesh to Dust} in a std deck or any bad draft commons that have legit strictly better cards in them.

Lastly we all here can judge the competitiveness of a deck basically on first reaction. If a list has 68 cards in it and are mostly singletons and the odd 3 of draft jank 4 mana 3/5 vanilla creature we can tell that that deck is not worthy of a noncasual thread.

Post decks that you want to play, post brews, have fun but if your deck is mono 8 drop hydras with no ramp or is just a bunch of bad draft commons expect it to be moved.

[redwolv]

Lol are you guys kidding? Or just being immature asses for no reason?

Burn is a comp cheap deck. Soul sisters is a semi comp cheap deck. There's tons of cheap semi comp decks out there. What Taysby is saying is that if you chose to play {Lightning Strike} instead of {Lightning Bolt} it is no longer competitive as it's strictly worse.

Llama the Treasure Hunt list was fake the guy entering it on mtgtop8 said he did it as a joke while he waited for the real results. Yes Gerry T wrote an article on it but it was false

Comp decks don't need to be $$$$$ they just need to be literally competitive. That means no  {Flesh to Dust} in a std deck or any bad draft commons that have legit strictly better cards in them.

Lastly we all here can judge the competitiveness of a deck basically on first reaction. If a list has 68 cards in it and are mostly singletons and the odd 3 of draft jank 4 mana 3/5 vanilla creature we can tell that that deck is not worthy of a noncasual thread.

Post decks that you want to play, post brews, have fun but if your deck is mono 8 drop hydras with no ramp or is just a bunch of bad draft commons expect it to be moved.

I am joking, playing devil's advocate really. If you look at the deck it is totally not competitive. I was planning to make the same mono-red argument, just cause a deck is cheap doesn't mean it can't be good. And my 800 buck deck would be total trash, it's just a bunch of expensive cards. Competitive=\= cost.

[Prplprince]

*why can't we be friends plays in the background*

[DirtyMustachio]

This whole thread is a giant waste of time

Motion to have it deleted

Because this forum needs more segregation and animosity

If someone's new and brewing, and they want help, and they go to competitive events and they come here for help.

Where does anyone come off judging whether their deck deserves help or not. Why is it necessary to move it, so we have to chase more things down in the already clunky forums.

I'm sorry, but I figure we could all just help each other out a little bit more than that. 

[Mr_Fahrenheit]

Posting 'this belongs in casual' takes more of your precious time than simply scrolling on past, and is probably less useful. If Piotr wanted those things in casual there would be a rule stating thats where it must go. If the mods wanted them there they would be moved there. Simply saying 'how dare you post a deck I dont think is super competitive in a section that doesnt actually have rules against doing so' is just wasting everyones time, and makes yourself look like a dick in the mean time. The forum is for everyone and you get out of it what you put in. It isnt fair, however, to make everyone else use it in the way that you would prefer.

Simply put, I believe the easiest solution is if you dont like something but it doesnt break any rules, just ignore it

[DirtyMustachio]

I just decided to peruse some of the quality comments on some of the standard decks

Dude muggy this is hilarious

Yeah, if the decks are standard they are standard. It doesn't matter how bad or slow they are.

Someone made them, generally with the intention of playing them.

As far as I can tell no one plays to lose, they may play for fun. But standard or modern decks are decks built with the intent of being played in those formats.

Unless your literally spamming the thread with vanilla decks or 60 lands. Nothing needs be done

[MuggyWuggy]

Many repost from their deck builder, if it's standard legal and intended to play standard - it's standard.

Instead of discriminating, make suggestions of how to help a brew work, then leave it up to the deck creator to determine if they want to make those changes

Sometimes you may see a shell in std that you enjoy but want to tweak it yourself for playing, repost your version, but don't say to someone you can't have it here because I won't win a tournament with it.

I usually test like crazy on untapped before I build it on paper. I'm MAYBE considering hangar back for my landfall deck, but also am trying to not force myself into the land of Jace and other expensive staples.

May my deck run better with Jace? Probably, but I also have concerns around cost, and maybe the deck does fine without 4x Jace and hangarbacks, I know through a ton of testing that unfortunately omnath is too slow and is usually a dead card or a win more card for the deck.

Tldr; does it really bother you that much?