Good and bad unbannings

[blackychan1]

What are some cards that you think would be good to unban from Modern or Legacy? What are cards that you think would be disastrous?

For modern, I think it would be fine to unban {Jace The Mind Sculptor}, but awful to unban {sensei's divining top}.

[Estel2931]

I think {Jace, the Mindscultpor} should get unbanned in Modern. {Deathrite Shaman} should stay banned in modern...

[Kaalia with haste]

I feel like {preordain} should be unbanned in modern (followed by a ban of splinter twin to force them to use Kiki jiki) {jace the mind sculptor} should probably stay banned IMO. They need to make control a deck, but that just makes twin (or Kiki combo if I had my way) and other random blue decks way too good.

[ihasfrozen]

Modern Unban:
{Jace, the Mind Sculptor}
{Stoneforge Mystic}
{Seething Song}
{Deathrite Shaman}
{Bloodbraid Elf}
{Birthing Pod}
{Ancestral Vision}
{Sensei's Divining Top}
{Preordain}
{Dread Return}

That might even make me want to play modern.

Legacy Unban:
{Black Vice}
{Mind Twist}
{Goblin Recruiter}
{Frantic Search}

[blackychan1]

Stoneforge would be spooky in modern. And if it ever got unbanned, it may well be a $100 card....

[ihasfrozen]

Modern Unban:
{Jace, the Mind Sculptor}
{Stoneforge Mystic}
{Seething Song}
{Deathrite Shaman}
{Bloodbraid Elf}
{Birthing Pod}
{Ancestral Vision}
{Sensei's Divining Top}
{Preordain}
{Dread Return}

That might even make me want to play modern.

Legacy Unban:
{Black Vice}
{Mind Twist}
{Goblin Recruiter}
{Frantic Search}

No on goblin recruiter, have you seen a newb try to make that pile? It's awful.

As for modern banlist, in banning DRS, BBE, SFM, Top, and Jace means you'll have a two-deck format tops. There's a Jund deck and a miracles/Stoneblade deck. Pod may be a thing, but I doubt it can out value Jund. Dread return might get you a Dredge deck, but you're missing the cards to make it a grindy deck like {Nether Shadow}.

I want to believe people can make recruiter piles in a reasonable amount of time, but you're probably right.

I think {Dread Return} is pretty safe without {Ichorid} and {Cabal Therapy}. The worst I could see is a deck coming out of it, but nothing busted.

I'm not sold on Jace and Stoneforge busting things without Jitte. I really just want Bloodbraid and Deathrite back to let me live the Jund dream again.

[Remillo]

Well, the thing about Dread Return...  Grave-Troll was recently unbanned.  There are already a few Dredge Reanimator lists running around that wins off of using Unburial Rites on something bit, like Iona.  Adding Dread return back in means +4 Returns, +4 Narcomoeba and that deck becomes an actual, insane deck.

That could actually be hilarious to see happen.

[Munchlax]

The problem with jace is that he brainstorms. All cards with similar effects have been banned.

[MuggyWuggy]

Surprised no dig thru time for modern here...

But srsly tho: bring back ante, I would be running demonic attorney all day

[Munchlax]

Why not unban {sword of the meek}

[LinkCelestrial]

IMO there are two options. Unban,

{Birthing Pod}
{Bloodbraid Elf}
{Deathright Shaman}
{Dread Return}
{Stoneforge Mystic}
{Sensei's Divining Top}
{Jace, the Mind Sculptor}

And /maybe/ {Preordain}, {Ponder}, {Seething Song} and {Rite of Flame}.

The intention here is that Pod would be back, Jund, Reanimator, Mono {W} Equipment variants and Storm (I hate playing with/against Storm as it's more one person watching the other try not to screw up math) would get a buff and Miracles as well as Caw-Blade variants and maybe control would become things.

The idea here is that no one deck gets all the power. It's spread around to make viable, powerful decks with some diversity.

But I don't really agree with that idea. It makes Modern look like Legacy. If it happened I wouldn't quit Modern (though I might be pissed if I actually played with cards instead of via Untap.In) but I feel like there'd be something lost.

The other option is to do pretty much nothing.

IMO {Birthing Pod} didn't need to be banned. It wasn't a dominate deck. Then again I didn't play "competitive" magic during its time.

Why is {Sword of the Meek} banned? 

[FlickerYourOwnIdentity]

{Time Seive}, {Thopter Foundry}, {Sword of the Meek}, 5 mana

LAST EDIT.  You sac sword to foundry, and you attach the sword to the created token, 5 times, extra turn

[LinkCelestrial]

{Time Seive}, {Thopter Foundry}, {Sword of the Meek}, 5 mana

LAST EDIT.  You sac sword to foundry, and you attach the sword to the created token, 5 times, extra turn

A six mana three card investment with an additional five mana needed to make it run? Doesn't seem ban worthy to me when there's still Twin, Scapeshift and Bloodcrank.

[LinkCelestrial]

{Time Seive}, {Thopter Foundry}, {Sword of the Meek}, 5 mana

LAST EDIT.  You sac sword to foundry, and you attach the sword to the created token, 5 times, extra turn

A six mana three card investment with an additional five mana needed to make it run? Doesn't seem ban worthy to me when there's still Twin, Scapeshift and Bloodcrank.

You don't need time sieve, just thopter foundry/sword. If they have none way to interact, you put the game out of reach in 2-3 turns tops.

Good point...

[Falcon182]

Surprised no dig thru time for modern here...

But srsly tho: bring back ante, I would be running demonic attorney all day

Dig needs to be banned in legacy. The density of Omnitell is obscene. 4 BS, 4 Ponder, 4 Pre, 4 Probe, 4 Dig, it's just absurd watching it go.

It's super powerful but I don't think it's oppressive.