Cycle ftw!

Started by Kaylesh, March 07, 2015, 03:01:22 AM

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LinkCelestrial

Put Phage down as a manifest. {Donate} or {Daring Theif} then blink. SUPRISE YOU'RE DEAD! Add {Liliana Vess} and {Vampiric Tutor} to put her where you want her. {Write Into Being} and {Cloudform} seem like optimal enablers. Just gotta make sure your blinker doesn't return it under your control. That'd suck.

Munchlax

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 09, 2015, 05:02:12 PM
Put Phage down as a manifest. {Donate} or {Daring Theif} then blink. SUPRISE YOU'RE DEAD! Add {Liliana Vess} and {Vampiric Tutor} to put her where you want her. {Write Into Being} and {Cloudform} seem like optimal enablers. Just gotta make sure your blinker doesn't return it under your control. That'd suck.
There isn't one that doesn't return it to its owners control. You'd have to use an Ante card to give it to your opponent permanently

Dsx Cherno

I'm more thinking using something like {mastery of the unseen} to get her down as manifest, then attack with her, and flip her when she isn't blocked

LinkCelestrial

Quote from: Dsx Cherno on March 09, 2015, 06:03:00 PM
I'm more thinking using something like {mastery of the unseen} to get her down as manifest, then attack with her, and flip her when she isn't blocked

But then just cast her and add {Whispersilk Cloak} or something.

LinkCelestrial

Okay, so. Manifest/whatever {Phage the Unplayable}. Exile with {Cold Storage} then {Donate}/{Bazzar Trader} the {Cold Storage} and use {Worst Fears}/{Sorin Markov}/{Mind Slaver} to make them crack it!

Dsx Cherno

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 09, 2015, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on March 09, 2015, 06:03:00 PM
I'm more thinking using something like {mastery of the unseen} to get her down as manifest, then attack with her, and flip her when she isn't blocked

But then just cast her and add {Whispersilk Cloak} or something.

If she's cast as normal, she is an immediate threat, and the opponent is working to end it. Whispy cloak is an obstacle, but it's easily dealt with. If I attack with multiple morphs, my opponent is blindly blocking unknown threats. I could also have multiple out in manimorph, and flip the unblocked one.

LinkCelestrial

Quote from: Dsx Cherno on March 09, 2015, 06:36:18 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 09, 2015, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on March 09, 2015, 06:03:00 PM
I'm more thinking using something like {mastery of the unseen} to get her down as manifest, then attack with her, and flip her when she isn't blocked

But then just cast her and add {Whispersilk Cloak} or something.

If she's cast as normal, she is an immediate threat, and the opponent is working to end it. Whispy cloak is an obstacle, but it's easily dealt with. If I attack with multiple morphs, my opponent is blindly blocking unknown threats. I could also have multiple out in manimorph, and flip the unblocked one.

Touche. Very good point. Problem is it's still {3}{B}{b}{b}{b} to flip. There's some sort of oldschool card that lets you put things face down until they take or deal damage and stuff.

rarehuntertay

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 09, 2015, 06:39:29 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on March 09, 2015, 06:36:18 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 09, 2015, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on March 09, 2015, 06:03:00 PM
I'm more thinking using something like {mastery of the unseen} to get her down as manifest, then attack with her, and flip her when she isn't blocked

But then just cast her and add {Whispersilk Cloak} or something.

If she's cast as normal, she is an immediate threat, and the opponent is working to end it. Whispy cloak is an obstacle, but it's easily dealt with. If I attack with multiple morphs, my opponent is blindly blocking unknown threats. I could also have multiple out in manimorph, and flip the unblocked one.

Touche. Very good point. Problem is it's still {3}{B}{b}{b}{b} to flip. There's some sort of oldschool card that lets you put things face down until they take or deal damage and stuff.
{Illusionary Mask}?

LinkCelestrial

Quote from: rarehuntertay on March 09, 2015, 06:51:36 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 09, 2015, 06:39:29 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on March 09, 2015, 06:36:18 PM
Quote from: LinkCelestrial on March 09, 2015, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: Dsx Cherno on March 09, 2015, 06:03:00 PM
I'm more thinking using something like {mastery of the unseen} to get her down as manifest, then attack with her, and flip her when she isn't blocked

But then just cast her and add {Whispersilk Cloak} or something.

If she's cast as normal, she is an immediate threat, and the opponent is working to end it. Whispy cloak is an obstacle, but it's easily dealt with. If I attack with multiple morphs, my opponent is blindly blocking unknown threats. I could also have multiple out in manimorph, and flip the unblocked one.

Touche. Very good point. Problem is it's still {3}{B}{b}{b}{b} to flip. There's some sort of oldschool card that lets you put things face down until they take or deal damage and stuff.
{Illusionary Mask}?

Yeah that.

Dsx Cherno

So with the mask, you have to eventually pay the full amount of the actual cost to play the creature. And if I read the ruling correctly, you can continue to pay on it, but once a flip condition has been met, if you haven't paid the full amount, it's considered an illegal casting

Dsx Cherno

Quote from: GlowackAttack on March 09, 2015, 10:47:48 PM
What is with players and their unnatural desire to exploit Phage? It seems everybody wants to do a hanky 8 card combination to win... I mean, it's a cool idea I guess and I'm not knocking it but like what is it that attracts players to a wildly unplayable 7 drop that needs a billion things to function?hahaha


I try to come up with combos for any and every card. It's nice to have options. And even if I never use this combo, knowing the mechanics of it make me a better player, and open my mind to more ways to exploit other cards. I don't have a great thing for Phage. I have a thing for thinking up ways to win that other people wouldn't think of.

Nfidel2k

Quote from: GlowackAttack on March 09, 2015, 10:47:48 PM
What is with players and their unnatural desire to exploit Phage? It seems everybody wants to do a hanky 8 card combination to win... I mean, it's a cool idea I guess and I'm not knocking it but like what is it that attracts players to a wildly unplayable 7 drop that needs a billion things to function?hahaha
Don't need to play it...  Discard it, {Donate} them a {Liliana Vess} and {Mindslaver} them for the win...

LinkCelestrial

Quote from: Nfidel2k on March 09, 2015, 11:28:44 PM
Quote from: GlowackAttack on March 09, 2015, 10:47:48 PM
What is with players and their unnatural desire to exploit Phage? It seems everybody wants to do a hanky 8 card combination to win... I mean, it's a cool idea I guess and I'm not knocking it but like what is it that attracts players to a wildly unplayable 7 drop that needs a billion things to function?hahaha
Don't need to play it...  Discard it, {Donate} them a {Liliana Vess} and {Mindslaver} them for the win...

I think the {Cold Storge} combo is a bit easier then ulting a Planeswalker. Generally.