Delver

[Taysby]

why doesn't delver just run {howling mine} instead of cruise now that it's banned. Seems pretty good. Yes, your opponents do get to draw some cards, but delver doesn't really care.

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Drawing one vs three?

[MuggyWuggy]

Change the game taysby

[rarehuntertay]

I'm thinking about building UR peasant delver

[cltrn81]

Drawing one vs three?

You mean draw 7 instead of 3? 

Delver should be finishing before you draw 7 from the mine or you are doing it wrong

[Remillo]

But it's definitely an improvement over not having it. Even if you only get 3 from it, it's a slightly slower treasure cruise.

I feel like this is a blatant troll thread, but I'll bite.

Mine is too slow, costs two mana, and gives your opponent cards.  If anything, Legacy Delver will replace Cruise with {Dig Through Time}, because it gives you two cards right there.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Delver wants cards right?  Delver doesn't particularly care if your opponents draw some cards, because there is no change in card advantage. It just needs more bolts to get in their hand.
Is it slower than they'd prefer, yes. Does that necessarily make it bad?  No.

Think about it this way: would you tell a storm player to play {Jace's Ingenuity}? No. "But it's {Ancestral Recall}! It might be a little slow, but...."

The other major problem is the fact that Delver usually relies on cantrips and other low impact cards, but makes up for it with the sheer card advantage. Your opponent is usually playing higher impact cards because they aren't expecting the extra card advantage, so the majority of the time, your opponent will get more out of it than a Delver deck would. Not to mention its a huge tempo loss, that even if you hit all your land drops, doesn't make up for itself until turn 4 (doesn't actually give you advantage till turn 5), and rewards your opponent before it rewards you.

[MuggyWuggy]

But it's definitely an improvement over not having it. Even if you only get 3 from it, it's a slightly slower treasure cruise.

I feel like this is a blatant troll thread, but I'll bite.

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[cltrn81]

just keep running U/R Delver and replace treasure cruise with {browbeat}.  I think that is one of the best case scenarios.......although it is a dead draw when you are behind and your opponent can easily pay the life.

[Mattao19]

just keep running U/R Delver and replace treasure cruise with {browbeat}.  I think that is one of the best case scenarios.......although it is a dead draw when you are behind and your opponent can easily pay the life.

Browbeat is what defines a burn player lol if they run browbeat they're doing it wrong

[LinkCelestrial]

{Browbeat} isn't that bad. If you are behind or early game and they pay the life, you're no longer so far behind. It's just that burn doesn't normally want to pay three mana for anything.

[Mattao19]

{Browbeat} isn't that bad. If you are behind or early game and they pay the life, you're no longer so far behind. It's just that burn doesn't normally want to pay three mana for anything.

Exactly

[NovusOrbis]

I feel like {Browbeat} should be good.
3 for 5 or draw cards, but I also feel like it's bad.

[Mattao19]

It's awful in 99% of scenarios you'd rather have another bolt also 3 mana is awfully hard to get to in some burn decks

[cltrn81]

It's awful in 99% of scenarios you'd rather have another bolt also 3 mana is awfully hard to get to in some burn decks

Don't be a hater.  That card is not that terrible.  Sure it is not ideal but the theory is you can get your opponent down pretty low and at that time you probably need your hand {replenish}ed.  This card forces a bad v bad scenario on your opponent.  The worse case scenario is when you are behind and your opponent can easily pay the life......if you are in this scenario and playing RDW then 3 new cards may not make the difference anyway.  The point is the worse case scenario is not 99% of the time like you are saying.