Question of logic

[MuggyWuggy]

That cop was let go for "incompetence" from his last policing job in a suburb.

So

What happens when police are incompetent? Because that's what's been at the heart of this issue. It's just unfortunate that all of the recent victims have been black.


And taysby just appears to be a victim blamer, so well just leave him be in his little world

[MuggyWuggy]

"Girl got raped"
Well she shouldn't have been wearing what she wore

"Black person got shot"
Well they shouldn't have been suspicious

[MuggyWuggy]

I hate to say it, but I don't think race is the main issue here. The issue is that cops feel as though they are "protected" by the law, and therefore can step over their boundaries and not be punished. That's my problem with this, not that race isn't an issue, but that's not the main issue in my eyes.

This

[NovusOrbis]

"Girl got raped"
Well she shouldn't have been wearing what she wore

"Black person got shot"
Well they shouldn't have been suspicious

"Cop made mistake"
Well he should have known 100% of the facts before hand and shouldn't have been human.
Stop bashing others and focus on the issues.

[MuggyWuggy]

This is one of the issues: victim blaming
Three people are dead due to incompetency of those who are responsible for keeping the public safe.

Is it ok for people to die due to incompetency in our police forces? I don't think so, I think accountability is something we need. Not DAs who hand pick juries to dismiss the possibility of trials.

Hoping the longer the issue is kept under wraps, the public will eventually lose their interest in it. Corrupt cop back on the street, ready to abuse the law again.

We have seen this over and over again, and some of us are calling it out. Some of you believe the police were justified in their actions.

Today NYPD police beat an 84 year old Asian man due to him j walking misunderstanding his language.

Why did they need to beat an 84 year old man? Resisting arrest? That's the most bullshit term used by law enforcement.

[Cender]

I hate to say it, but I don't think race is the main issue here. The issue is that cops feel as though they are "protected" by the law, and therefore can step over their boundaries and not be punished. That's my problem with this, not that race isn't an issue, but that's not the main issue in my eyes.

This

Im in full agreement here. I've dealt with some really good cops in my area that have helped me in dangerous situations (broken down in the middle of an extremely busy road with no recourse), but unless there are some drastic changes to the system, my first response to seeing a cop is going to be fear for my safety.

We can talk about the racial aspect of this because in my opinion that certainly plays a part in the story, but the aspect that concerns me most transcends racial boundaries - "Who watches the Watchmen?"

[NovusOrbis]

This is one of the issues: victim blaming
Three people are dead due to incompetency of those who are responsible for keeping the public safe.

Is it ok for people to die due to incompetency in our police forces? I don't think so, I think accountability is something we need. Not DAs who hand pick juries to dismiss the possibility of trials.

Hoping the longer the issue is kept under wraps, the public will eventually lose their interest in it. Corrupt cop back on the street, ready to abuse the law again.

We have seen this over and over again, and some of us are calling it out. Some of you believe the police were justified in their actions.

Today NYPD police beat an 84 year old Asian man due to him j walking misunderstanding his language.

Why did they need to beat an 84 year old man? Resisting arrest? That's the most bullshit term used by law enforcement.

Yeah, police brutality is an issue, but all you did was attack Taysby. He's entitled to his own opinions. It's scientifically proven that people in power will abuse that power. There are far more police officers that are good people. Police brutality is not an entity. It's bad people being bad people and finding an outlet to be bad to other people. We only see a few horrible instances of police brutality or misconduct. It's the individuals that should be blamed. Because, as the internet would put it, #notallcops are evil.

[MuggyWuggy]

So since we're on the same page:

Shouldn't bad/incompetent cops be held accountable for their actions? I never said all police are bad, I mainly want action against those that act above the law.

Kelly Thomas is another example of police brutality. He was a homeless mentally ill white man, they justified beating and tazing due to him "resisting arrest"

Those police were acquitted via trial 2 years later, only to be back on the streets patrolling again

Something is wrong with that.

[Distriimuir]

Certainly all cops aren't like this, I can agree to that. But as for "we don't see a lot of police abusing power", that's literally because news outlets don't report on them as much as they should. Look up the numbers of police overstepping and killing, injuring, or falsely arresting people (not only colored) all over this country. It's risen significantly in the last 30 years.

As I've said before, race, even the cops themselves aren't the issue. Their blantant abuse of their positions and the fact they all get off with a " don't do it again" is fucked up. We shouldn't fear te people that are supposed to be protecting us.

[NovusOrbis]

So since we're on the same page:

Shouldn't bad/incompetent cops be held accountable for their actions? I never said all police are bad, I mainly want action against those that act above the law.

Kelly Thomas is another example of police brutality. He was a homeless mentally ill white man, they justified beating and tazing due to him "resisting arrest"

Those police were acquitted via trial 2 years later, only to be back on the streets patrolling again

Something is wrong with that.

Exactly. There is an issue with brutality and people using the police force as an outlet to abuse power. But, I can understand why the cop who shot the child was let off. Despite that, I believe the punishment for abuse, when there is solid proof, should be immediate removal from the police force and equitibale remedy for the family of the affected if there is a family.

[Distriimuir]

^ see tays that is a reasonable line of thought. It's only a race issue cause the damn news channels are making people feel that way. The real debate should be cops abuse of power.

[Kaworu, the Fifth Child]

It seems every debate with taysbe turns intelligent into Agrus and Muggy vs Taysbe. It's kind of sad.

Do you even proof read before you post?

Sorry I'm someone who looks at wrong in the world and questions it, rather than assuming the authorities were correct.

The denying of the existence of white privilege by white folk is classic. You don't understand how it is to grow up another skin color and don't understand the standard prejudice met across the United States, especially by local law enforcement.

When white people are afraid of black people (officer statements in Michael brown case, Temir case observation) it justifies shooting them?

Why would they be afraid of black people? What makes them different from any other sort of people other than the skin color?

A lot of people here really believe all people are treated equally and that's just not the case

Nono I'm on your side.

[Distriimuir]

Yes. The news wouldn't report it cause it wouldn't give them ratings. But I'm willing to bet the friends and family in this sort of instance would riot. And rightfully so.

[MuggyWuggy]

Could you imagine how crazy it would be if it was a white guy killed by a black cop? Do you think there would be as many riots and looting and whatnot happening?

Well white cops killed a mentally ill white man and there was plenty of uproar.

[Distriimuir]

I get the point the articles trying to make, but it's so biased. The word choice, instantly making it a race thing again. Just a fyi any site that calls itself leftwing or rightwing news, probably isn't the best source for your info tays.