Question of logic

[NovusOrbis]

I'm just going to say
A lot of the black people I know tend to put them selfs down with racism.

Yes, some people like to milk it, but he fact remains that it is harder to be a black person in America than it is to be white

Complete speculation, otherwise I'll need a definite source on that. According to the 2014 Census Bureau and Kaiser Foundation, 10% of Whites, 27% of Blacks, 24% of Hispanics, and 14% of other races live below the poverty line. This only comprises around 15% of the United States due to rounding, obviously. Keep in mind that this number is based on family( two adults and one child) income levels. Whites are about 220,000,000 strong, making the amount that live below the poverty line roughly 22,000,000. Blacks are about 39,000,000 strong, making the number of families in poverty about 7.8 million. Hispanics are roughly 50 million strong, making the number in poverty about 12 million. I'm writing this quickly because I'm tired and am failing to calculate the total for other. Personally, I believe we should have evolved beyond ethnicity, but that is apparently not the question. My ethnicity is "Other" despite me being Caucasian. Don't ask me, I don't know why. The only thing I know is that is what my birth certificate says. People don't have it hard because of their skin color, people have it hard because life is hard. It isn't a utopia. Do I think that officer meant to kill him? No, I don't. That's my opinion, though. I could be wrong. That's all I have to say for now.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Ya know what the problem here is? White priveledge just can't disappear. I never had a choice in my skin color, it was just the hand I was dealt.... there's nothing that can be done to just magically remove the special magical white card, so there's no use using it as an excuse for anything since it'll never be fixed. It's just pushing the blame

As a fellow WASP (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant), I know what you're saying, but we have to realize that the white card exists and try to mitigate the detrimental effects it has. We should have gotten past race at this point, but we haven't and ignoring that fact doesn't help.

[Langku]

Denying a race issue is at the heart of racism. As much as anyone would like to be free of that stigma/burden it is in everyone. It is imperative that each of us remain conscious of the potential problem in us and in every encounter with someone different. Embracing error, not ignoring it, is how to exorcise it.

[Cender]

Denying a race issue is at the heart of racism. As much as anyone would like to be free of that stigma/burden it is in everyone. It is imperative that each of us remain conscious of the potential problem in us and in every encounter with someone different. Embracing error, not ignoring it, is how to exorcise it.

Very well said!

[Kaworu, the Fifth Child]

It seems every debate with taysbe turns intelligent into Agrus and Muggy vs Taysbe. It's kind of sad.

[NovusOrbis]

It seems every debate with taysbe turns intelligent into Agrus and Muggy vs Taysbe. It's kind of sad.

They all do

[the_intelligentleman]

It seems every debate with taysbe turns intelligent into Agrus and Muggy vs Taysbe. It's kind of sad.

They all do

Wait, I turn into Argus?

[MuggyWuggy]

I mean, when people respond like they do, it's how our conversations crumble.

Who's the one pelting insults when logic is questioned


I'm sorry if I incite some tempers when I question the actions of authority

[MuggyWuggy]

It seems every debate with taysbe turns intelligent into Agrus and Muggy vs Taysbe. It's kind of sad.

Do you even proof read before you post?

Sorry I'm someone who looks at wrong in the world and questions it, rather than assuming the authorities were correct.

The denying of the existence of white privilege by white folk is classic. You don't understand how it is to grow up another skin color and don't understand the standard prejudice met across the United States, especially by local law enforcement.

When white people are afraid of black people (officer statements in Michael brown case, Temir case observation) it justifies shooting them?

Why would they be afraid of black people? What makes them different from any other sort of people other than the skin color?

A lot of people here really believe all people are treated equally and that's just not the case

[NovusOrbis]

Denying a race issue is at the heart of racism. As much as anyone would like to be free of that stigma/burden it is in everyone. It is imperative that each of us remain conscious of the potential problem in us and in every encounter with someone different. Embracing error, not ignoring it, is how to exorcise it.

People are naturally egocentric. This is a natural part of our biology. Every race has naturally inherited prejudice against something strange. It's a part of who we are. Racism, as we define it today, exists because it is taught. Everytime a black is killed by a white, people scream racism, disregarding anything else with the taught belief that whites hate black and the lives of blacks are full of despair and hardship because of their skin color. Life sucks, I can tell you that. Despair knows no prejudice. White privelage is a myth. It may appear that whites hold most of the jobs, but maybe it's because whites comprise nearly 80% of the American population?

To me, it appears that people use racism as a crutch, an excuse in an attempt to elude solving problems themselves. Before you yell at me because of my skin color and calling me racist because of that statement, allow me to explain my reasoning. I was born into poverty stricken family. I know how hard it can be. But, instead of saying our hardship was someone else's fault because we were a different color, we recognized that the only way we could change our situation was to change it ourselves. We worked hard, and until recently, we struggled with life. Nothing was handed to me because my skin looks white.

[NovusOrbis]

When white people are afraid of black people (officer statements in Michael brown case, Temir case observation) it justifies shooting them?

Why would they be afraid of black people? What makes them different from any other sort of people other than the skin color?

A lot of people here really believe all people are treated equally and that's just not the case

If someone was attacking you, would you not try to stop it? So if Michael Brown was white, his life wouldn't have mattered? What about Dillon Taylor? He was unarmed and killed by a black police officer? Where's the outrage? Where's the riot in my hometown? Why is his life worth less than a black man's? Police brutality, and brutality in general, knows no race.
You're right, people aren't treated equally....

[MuggyWuggy]

When white people are afraid of black people (officer statements in Michael brown case, Temir case observation) it justifies shooting them?

Why would they be afraid of black people? What makes them different from any other sort of people other than the skin color?

A lot of people here really believe all people are treated equally and that's just not the case

If someone was attacking you, would you not try to stop it? So if Michael Brown was white, his life wouldn't have mattered? What about Dillon Taylor? He was unarmed and killed by a black police officer? Where's the outrage? Where's the riot in my hometown? Why is his life worth less than a black man's? Police brutality, and brutality in general, knows no race.
You're right, people aren't treated equally....

If you read the Temir case (Cleveland shooting)
An inexperienced cop shot immediately at a 13 year old who supposedly had a toy gun with him due to fear. Literally less than 10 seconds from getting out of the car, he fired.

He did not analyze the situation at all, just came guns blazing. Assuming he was a thug due to his skin color.

So tell me what justifies the victims death.

[MuggyWuggy]

Sorry I'm someone who looks at wrong in the world and questions it, rather than assuming the authorities were correct.
The denying of the existence of white privilege by white folk is classic. You don't understand how it is to grow up another skin color and don't understand the standard prejudice met across the United States, especially by local law enforcement.

When white people are afraid of black people (officer statements in Michael brown case, Temir case observation) it justifies shooting them?

Why would they be afraid of black people? What makes them different from any other sort of people other than the skin color?

A lot of people here really believe all people are treated equally and that's just not the case

I also question them.  In face, I believe the officer was in the wrong here, but you refuse to listen to what I'm saying.
Skin color has nothing to do with it.  It's their actions.
You continue to ignore anything they could have possibly done to justify their actions.
Because the person in question was acting threatening. 

You just recently said it wasn't a race issue, it's just a police brutality issue, then you immediately flip flop.  Seems like you're a hypocrite.

You clearly didnt watch the Eric garner video if you think he was threatening.

[the_intelligentleman]

I hate to say it, but I don't think race is the main issue here. The issue is that cops feel as though they are "protected" by the law, and therefore can step over their boundaries and not be punished. That's my problem with this, not that race isn't an issue, but that's not the main issue in my eyes.

[NovusOrbis]

When white people are afraid of black people (officer statements in Michael brown case, Temir case observation) it justifies shooting them?

Why would they be afraid of black people? What makes them different from any other sort of people other than the skin color?

A lot of people here really believe all people are treated equally and that's just not the case

If someone was attacking you, would you not try to stop it? So if Michael Brown was white, his life wouldn't have mattered? What about Dillon Taylor? He was unarmed and killed by a black police officer? Where's the outrage? Where's the riot in my hometown? Why is his life worth less than a black man's? Police brutality, and brutality in general, knows no race.
You're right, people aren't treated equally....

If you read the Temir case (Cleveland shooting)
An inexperienced cop shot immediately at a 13 year old who supposedly had a toy gun with him due to fear. Literally less than 10 seconds from getting out of the car, he fired.

He did not analyze the situation at all, just came guns blazing. Assuming he was a thug due to his skin color.

So tell me what justifies the victims death.

I see both sides of the case. He had pulled the orange cap off of the gun. The cop had no idea it was fake. To him, the gun was real and there was a threat. He didn't know. He's human. Then again, a thirteen year old is dead. He had family and friends. It sucks. I agree his death shouldn't have happened, but who is at fault? The cop was doing his job. Protect and serve. All he knew was that a hold had a gun and when the gun was waved at him, he shot.