Deathrite Unban?

Started by Hunteroffire9, November 13, 2014, 10:15:16 PM

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Ace

Quote from: MuggyWuggy on November 16, 2014, 03:36:38 PM
Nah
A one of for cards is definitely still a possibility to overthrow the game

Yeah but not as bad as 4 of. I like the idea of doing a restricted list in modern. That would make things really interesting

Brawler_1337

The reason that no other formats have restricted lists is that they make games more based on luck (who draws into his or her restricted cards first), and they limit the designs for tutors and recursion, leading cards to be restricted that otherwise shouldn't be. If it's not okay to have at 4, then it shouldn't be okay at all.

Dudecore

{Mental Misstep} is still regarded as an absolute disaster in Legacy. It was one of the few cards to receive one of the "Emergency bans". Modern would be even worse.

I also haven't seen a card come along that makes {Deathrite Shaman} worse in Modern. It doesn't stop cruise, and cruise doesn't stop it. An unbanning would just allow DRS to pick up where it left off

blackychan1

{Mental misstep} makes {Deathrite shaman} worse... :P

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: Dudecore on November 16, 2014, 06:50:55 PM
I also haven't seen a card come along that makes {Deathrite Shaman} worse in Modern. It doesn't stop cruise, and cruise doesn't stop it. An unbanning would just allow DRS to pick up where it left off
But I think the format itself has changed enough (due to different decks being prevalent, and some card changes (new cards, unbannings etc.) that it wouldn't make as big an impact. When it first came out, it slid right into an oppressive tier 1 deck, but now it would just help out a tier 2 deck, possibly making it tier one again, and adding to the diversity.

blackychan1

It also slips right back into Pod...

InfinitiveDivinity

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on November 16, 2014, 06:59:55 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on November 16, 2014, 06:50:55 PM
I also haven't seen a card come along that makes {Deathrite Shaman} worse in Modern. It doesn't stop cruise, and cruise doesn't stop it. An unbanning would just allow DRS to pick up where it left off
But I think the format itself has changed enough (due to different decks being prevalent, and some card changes (new cards, unbannings etc.) that it wouldn't make as big an impact. When it first came out, it slid right into an oppressive tier 1 deck, but now it would just help out a tier 2 deck, possibly making it tier one again, and adding to the diversity.
It will make Jund, Junk and The Rock all decks again, and it would give more firepower to already prevalent {B}/X decks. Given, I would love to be able to play with my Deathrites in Modern again, but I don't think it would be healthy at all.

Thetrufflehunter

Quote from: Taysby on November 16, 2014, 08:51:09 PM
thus we unban a lot of stuff like {stoneforge mystic} and it won't dominate the meta.
...So we basically have legacy?

Rass

Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on November 16, 2014, 09:13:09 PM
Quote from: Taysby on November 16, 2014, 08:51:09 PM
thus we unban a lot of stuff like {stoneforge mystic} and it won't dominate the meta.
...So we basically have legacy?

Not really

blackychan1

Quote from: Thetrufflehunter on November 16, 2014, 09:13:09 PM
Quote from: Taysby on November 16, 2014, 08:51:09 PM
thus we unban a lot of stuff like {stoneforge mystic} and it won't dominate the meta.
...So we basically have legacy?
Legacy minus all set up to 8th edition. Isn't that what modern is supposed to be?

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: blackychan1 on November 16, 2014, 08:35:37 PM
It also slips right back into Pod...
Wow, I completely forgot about Pod, because I don't think of it as a typical GBx deck. Yeah, {Deathrite Shaman} will probably be unbanned some day, but I definitely don't think it should be in the next year. Maybe if the meta changes more, some really good new cards come out, or there is some odd banning (like {Birthing Pod}), I can see him getting unbanned, but not right now. Especially because a lot of the GP Madrid top 8 was pod: http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpmad14/top-8-decklists-2014-11-16

rarehuntertay

Quote from: Dudecore on November 16, 2014, 06:50:55 PM
{Mental Misstep} is still regarded as an absolute disaster in Legacy. It was one of the few cards to receive one of the "Emergency bans". Modern would be even worse.

Mental mistep did not receive an emergency ban in legacy. It got banned during the normal ban announcements. {memory jar} is the only card to be emergency banned.
Back on point: DRS is a powerful card, it doesn't shut down TC or DTT, and there are ways to shut down DRS. I believe it could be unbanned, but that's none of our decision lol

Brawler_1337

Quote from: rarehuntertay on November 17, 2014, 11:15:19 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on November 16, 2014, 06:50:55 PM
{Mental Misstep} is still regarded as an absolute disaster in Legacy. It was one of the few cards to receive one of the "Emergency bans". Modern would be even worse.

Mental mistep did not receive an emergency ban in legacy. It got banned during the normal ban announcements. {memory jar} is the only card to be emergency banned.
Back on point: DRS is a powerful card, it doesn't shut down TC or DTT, and there are ways to shut down DRS. I believe it could be unbanned, but that's none of our decision lol
But DRS does have synergy with delve spells and technically does make it harder for your opponent to cast them. Say I activate DRS to exile your fetch and add U. Now I delve the rest of my grave (or, at least all of my lands) for Treasure Cruise. Now your DRS can't tap for mana, and I just took one of your resources for delving. On the other hand, you can respond to DRS's activation with Dig Through Time to fizzle him.

Let's also consider that DRS can slip into RUG Delver. He's not as efficient a threat, but he does give you mana, a decent clock, and a maindeck solution to graveyard decks.

Does this mean that he shouldn't be unbanned? It's debatable. I personally am not a fan of unbanning cards, but that's just my opinion.