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Started by imFourth of Phils, November 06, 2014, 02:57:26 AM

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imFourth of Phils

can i use the ability Evoke on opponents turn?

thanks

Kaylesh

702.73a: Evoke represents two abilities: a static ability that functions in any zone from which the card with evoke can be cast and a triggered ability that functions on the battlefield. "Evoke [cost]" means "You may cast this card by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost" and "When this permanent enters the battlefield, if its evoke cost was paid, its controller sacrifices it." Paying a card's evoke cost follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2e–g.
This does not change when you can cast the creature, so unless it has flash too, the answer is no.

imFourth of Phils

Quote from: Kaylesh on November 06, 2014, 05:09:54 AM
702.73a: Evoke represents two abilities: a static ability that functions in any zone from which the card with evoke can be cast and a triggered ability that functions on the battlefield. "Evoke [cost]" means "You may cast this card by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost" and "When this permanent enters the battlefield, if its evoke cost was paid, its controller sacrifices it." Paying a card's evoke cost follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2e–g.
This does not change when you can cast the creature, so unless it has flash too, the answer is no.

thank you

Daxos

follow up,

I'll be playing soon with {Roon of the Hidden Realm}

if i am reading this Evoke rule correctly, it seems I could with 5 available mana cast {Mulldrifter} through evoke cost, then as the creature enters the battlefield respond to the delayed trigger by activating Roonie's exile ability. end result the Mulldrifter stays on the battlefield and I get to draw 4 total cards (2 coming in with Evoke and 2 coming in from the Hidden Realm)

too good to be true?
abilities use the stack, no? I am responding to triggered ability so it seems legit... rrrright?

Oldschoolmtgnoob

Quote from: Daxos on November 07, 2014, 11:20:10 PM
follow up,

I'll be playing soon with {Roon of the Hidden Realm}

if i am reading this Evoke rule correctly, it seems I could with 5 available mana cast {Mulldrifter} through evoke cost, then as the creature enters the battlefield respond to the delayed trigger by activating Roonie's exile ability. end result the Mulldrifter stays on the battlefield and I get to draw 4 total cards (2 coming in with Evoke and 2 coming in from the Hidden Realm)

too good to be true?
abilities use the stack, no? I am responding to triggered ability so it seems legit... rrrright?

Not answering, just adding an addition clarification point for meself..."when" means a delayed trigger, right? If it were worded, "...sacrifice it 'instead'", then that would be a replacement effect and can't be responded to? Am I somewhat comprehendo-ing?

cltrn81

Yes this works by responding to the sacrifice trigger.  This would work with any {flicker} effect.  When it comes back the BF, it does not remember it was previously put on the BF using evoke. 

Daxos


Yawgmoth85

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I have an EDH {karador ghost chieftain} deck where once per each turn a creature can be played from the graveyard, and was wondering if I could evoke from the graveyard with let's say {shriekmaw}?

Gorzo

Quote from: Yawgmoth85 on November 10, 2014, 03:34:32 PM
I have an EDH {karador ghost chieftain} deck where once per each turn a creature can be played from the graveyard, and was wondering if I could evoke from the graveyard with let's say {shriekmaw}?

I don't see why not. Karador allows you to cast it from your graveyard, so long as you choose to use the alternative mode and cost of evoke, being from the graveyard and not the hand shouldn't change anything

702.73a: Evoke represents two abilities: a static ability that functions in any zone from which the card with evoke can be cast and a triggered ability that functions on the battlefield. "Evoke [cost]" means "You may cast this card by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost" and "When this permanent enters the battlefield, if its evoke cost was paid, its controller sacrifices it." Paying a card's evoke cost follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2e–g.

particle

Quote from: Gorzo on November 10, 2014, 03:50:25 PM
Quote from: Yawgmoth85 on November 10, 2014, 03:34:32 PM
I have an EDH {karador ghost chieftain} deck where once per each turn a creature can be played from the graveyard, and was wondering if I could evoke from the graveyard with let's say {shriekmaw}?

I don't see why not. Karador allows you to cast it from your graveyard, so long as you choose to use the alternative mode and cost of evoke, being from the graveyard and not the hand shouldn't change anything

702.73a: Evoke represents two abilities: a static ability that functions in any zone from which the card with evoke can be cast and a triggered ability that functions on the battlefield. "Evoke [cost]" means "You may cast this card by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost" and "When this permanent enters the battlefield, if its evoke cost was paid, its controller sacrifices it." Paying a card's evoke cost follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2e–g.

cant you not use two alternate costs when paying costs?

117.9a Only one alternative cost can be applied to any one spell as it's being cast. The controller of the spell announces his or her intentions to pay that cost as described in rule 601.2b.

so either evoke or casting from yard? unsure though even with rulings.

Gorzo

You can't use two alternate costs, that's correct. Karador isn't creating an alternate cost, though.

particle

Quote from: Gorzo on November 10, 2014, 04:25:39 PM
You can't use two alternate costs, that's correct. Karador isn't creating an alternate cost, though.

i concede. thinking about flashback, its in the yard and flashback is an alternative cost. if my thinking was correct, you couldn't ever flash back since its in yard. plus 1 gorzo thanks for smackin some sense in me.