9/11 serious post

Started by Kaworu, the Fifth Child, September 11, 2014, 07:02:11 PM

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Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Debate over this. A tumblr user posted it and I agree with it 100%.

"RIP the 2976 Americans that died in the 9/11 attacks and RIP the approximately 48,600 Afghan and 1,691,00 Iraqi and 35000 Pakistani people who paid the ultimate price for a crime they didn't commit."

MuggyWuggy

Where was al Qaeda hidden in Iraq?

MuggyWuggy

The weapons of mass destruction?

MuggyWuggy

Cheney and Halliburton connection?
Billions paid out to military contracts?

Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Quote from: Taysby on September 11, 2014, 07:08:15 PM
Without the war on terror, bad things would have continued to happen.  We would have been saying, terrorist attacks are ok with us.  Sure, it's bad that innocents died, but there's not muh you can do to keep terrorists under control.
So you're saying it's OK that we weep (metaphorically sometimes) over not quite 3000 people but it's okay that 2.53 (ish) innocent people died in foreign countries and most of us don't give a flying .love.?

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

I think the idiotic concept of "American exceptionalism" and the political system in America are to blame for this. We aren't better than anyone else, and you shouldn't vote for a politician because you saw a TV ad.

NovusOrbis

Is 9/11 a tragedy? Yes, absolutely. Is it the worst thing that's ever happened? No, probably not, but for some people(namely Americans) it is the worst tragedy they've experienced. We can discuss ethics all day but it's a pointless discussion because ethics, morals, personal beliefs and such are all different. There are real threats and people are doing their best to keep it contained. And that's the problem with guerrilla warfare, that's basically the whole point actually; blending in with the community. It's not the civilians fault, or the soldiers fault; it's the insurgent's fault. If you don't think it weighs heavily on a man's soul whenever they kill an innocent civilian, it absolutely does. That's not our goal. That's not our purpose.

Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Quote from: Taysby on September 11, 2014, 08:08:43 PM
Quote from: Kaworu, the Fifth Child on September 11, 2014, 07:54:02 PM
Quote from: Taysby on September 11, 2014, 07:08:15 PM
Without the war on terror, bad things would have continued to happen.  We would have been saying, terrorist attacks are ok with us.  Sure, it's bad that innocents died, but there's not muh you can do to keep terrorists under control.
So you're saying it's OK that we weep (metaphorically sometimes) over not quite 3000 people but it's okay that 2.53 (ish) innocent people died in foreign countries and most of us don't give a flying .love.?

We care, but not doing anything about terrorism would have been worse than what we did.
How is killing millions of innocents better than doing nothing?

NovusOrbis

Quote from: Kaworu, the Fifth Child on September 11, 2014, 08:16:19 PM
Quote from: Taysby on September 11, 2014, 08:08:43 PM
Quote from: Kaworu, the Fifth Child on September 11, 2014, 07:54:02 PM
Quote from: Taysby on September 11, 2014, 07:08:15 PM
Without the war on terror, bad things would have continued to happen.  We would have been saying, terrorist attacks are ok with us.  Sure, it's bad that innocents died, but there's not muh you can do to keep terrorists under control.
So you're saying it's OK that we weep (metaphorically sometimes) over not quite 3000 people but it's okay that 2.53 (ish) innocent people died in foreign countries and most of us don't give a flying .love.?

We care, but not doing anything about terrorism would have been worse than what we did.
How is killing millions of innocents better than doing nothing?
I mean, the groups' goals are to kill millions of innocent people....

Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Quote from: NovusOrbis on September 11, 2014, 08:20:46 PM
Quote from: Kaworu, the Fifth Child on September 11, 2014, 08:16:19 PM
Quote from: Taysby on September 11, 2014, 08:08:43 PM
Quote from: Kaworu, the Fifth Child on September 11, 2014, 07:54:02 PM
Quote from: Taysby on September 11, 2014, 07:08:15 PM
Without the war on terror, bad things would have continued to happen.  We would have been saying, terrorist attacks are ok with us.  Sure, it's bad that innocents died, but there's not muh you can do to keep terrorists under control.
So you're saying it's OK that we weep (metaphorically sometimes) over not quite 3000 people but it's okay that 2.53 (ish) innocent people died in foreign countries and most of us don't give a flying .love.?

We care, but not doing anything about terrorism would have been worse than what we did.
How is killing millions of innocents better than doing nothing?
I mean, the groups' goals are to kill millions of innocent people....
So if we do that too, how does that make us better than them?

Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Quote from: Taysby on September 12, 2014, 10:49:37 AM
Are you saying it would have been better to let terrorist run rampant and do whatever the want?...

The reason civilians died was that the terrorists were using guirella warfare in the cities.  We had no choice.  Also, the terrorists were directly responsible for a lot of those deaths.
I'm saying we shouldn't have killed the innocents. It's begged to let killers of 3000 run wild than kill 2.5 million innocents in search.

MuggyWuggy


Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Quote from: Taysby on September 12, 2014, 03:14:45 PM
Then those killers keep killing.  And killing.  And killing.

Keep things in perspective.  Is it bad that innocents died?  Yes.  Should we have let terrorists do their thing?  No.

And the only reason innocents died was because the terrorists were taking the war into the cities.  It is their fault so many innocents died.  They have no appreciation for life.
So as revenge for 3000 deaths we take 2.5 million? Doesn't seen fair. We should let them kill until we catch them in the act.

Ekann1

See how well that goes over with the general population when they're the ones dying....

Kaworu, the Fifth Child

Quote from: E.kann1 on September 12, 2014, 04:38:46 PM
See how well that goes over with the general population when they're the ones dying....
Because it went sooo well with the Middle East when we killed them...