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Started by Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth, August 18, 2014, 06:15:25 PM

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Spikepit

Quote from: Dudecore on August 23, 2014, 08:26:37 PM
Magic Origins?
Cool! Taking an angle of presenting all the sets' flavour in games and film? Oh boy, I'd bend over backwards to play a Zendikar game, Diablo III style!


MuggyWuggy

Possibly the next June set for drafting? Classic magic being reprinted (alpha set?) just maybe not the cards we want except those not on the reserve list

Dudecore

We don't know what it is, but I will speculate that instead of it being Modern Master 2, it's a new product to introduce new cards into the Modern format - like allied fetches.

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: Dudecore on August 23, 2014, 09:04:38 PM
We don't know what it is, but I will speculate that instead of it being Modern Master 2, it's a new product to introduce new cards into the Modern format - like allied fetches.
I don't think something called Magic Origins would skip over the first 10 or so years of Magic....

Dudecore

Quote from: Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth on August 23, 2014, 09:11:17 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on August 23, 2014, 09:04:38 PM
We don't know what it is, but I will speculate that instead of it being Modern Master 2, it's a new product to introduce new cards into the Modern format - like allied fetches.
I don't think something called Magic Origins would skip over the first 10 or so years of Magic....

It could do Arabian Nights -> 8th Edition, because those cards are not Modern Legal. So it could put reprints and add new cards to the format.

Mattao19

Modern does not need to get bigger! It needs to be smaller!

Dudecore

It needs more answers for {Scornful Egotist}. It won't be a legitimate format until they reprint {Swords to Plowshares} and {Force of Will}.

Mattao19

Quote from: Dudecore on August 23, 2014, 10:35:54 PM
It needs more answers for {Scornful Egotist}. It won't be a legitimate format until they reprint {Swords to Plowshares} and {Force of Will}.

If StP and FoW enter the format I (and hopefully) many others will quit it

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 23, 2014, 11:17:29 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on August 23, 2014, 10:35:54 PM
It needs more answers for {Scornful Egotist}. It won't be a legitimate format until they reprint {Swords to Plowshares} and {Force of Will}.

If StP and FoW enter the format I (and hopefully) many others will quit it
Meh, Swords is kind of OP, but blue and red are the most played colors (with {Serum Visions} and {Lightning Bolt} in the top 10 played cards, including lands) so it could actually lead to more diversity (although UWR control would DOMINATE!). As for FoW, its uber good, but only certain decks could play it. Its meh in control because you don't want to lose the card, combo usually won't be able spare the card (because you can't pitch a land) not to mention you would rather have {Pact of Negation}, and in midrange you don't really want the card, you'd rather apply more threats. TBH, I think {Counterspell} would be worse for the format.

Dudecore

I think FoW is probably not too bad in Modern. I know Wizards doesn't want to find out. It is powerful in Legacy and Vintage because it stops combo decks on turn 1, in Modern there really aren't combo decks that go off that early - the format is founded on that principle. Like Agrus said, {Pact of Negation} probably is better - at least more relevant. I haven't playtested it, but {Force of Will} seems like a bad 2-for-1. I know people will jam it, even though it's not that good, and I am sure it'll lead to some tapout control decks which may not be a good thing.

Mattao19

Quote from: Dudecore on August 24, 2014, 12:08:27 AM
I think FoW is probably not too bad in Modern. I know Wizards doesn't want to find out. It is powerful in Legacy and Vintage because it stops combo decks on turn 1, in Modern there really aren't combo decks that go off that early - the format is founded on that principle. Like Agrus said, {Pact of Negation} probably is better - at least more relevant. I haven't playtested it, but {Force of Will} seems like a bad 2-for-1. I know people will jam it, even though it's not that good, and I am sure it'll lead to some tapout control decks which may not be a good thing.

Tbh FoW is still awesome sure it's a 2-1 but it's a manaless Counterspell. Why do you think {Mental Mistep} was banned?!!

Dudecore

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 24, 2014, 12:55:21 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on August 24, 2014, 12:08:27 AM
I think FoW is probably not too bad in Modern. I know Wizards doesn't want to find out. It is powerful in Legacy and Vintage because it stops combo decks on turn 1, in Modern there really aren't combo decks that go off that early - the format is founded on that principle. Like Agrus said, {Pact of Negation} probably is better - at least more relevant. I haven't playtested it, but {Force of Will} seems like a bad 2-for-1. I know people will jam it, even though it's not that good, and I am sure it'll lead to some tapout control decks which may not be a good thing.

Tbh FoW is still awesome sure it's a 2-1 but it's a manaless Counterspell. Why do you think {Mental Mistep} was banned?!!

Mistep could be in any deck, doesn't give you card disadvantage and was in 100% of decks before banning...FoW is quite a bit more restricing. I don't know of any valid reasons to unban {Mental Mistep}, while not likely - {Force of Will} would be a bad card in Standard, and perhaps a fringe one in Modern.

Rass

Quote from: Mattao19 on August 24, 2014, 12:55:21 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on August 24, 2014, 12:08:27 AM
I think FoW is probably not too bad in Modern. I know Wizards doesn't want to find out. It is powerful in Legacy and Vintage because it stops combo decks on turn 1, in Modern there really aren't combo decks that go off that early - the format is founded on that principle. Like Agrus said, {Pact of Negation} probably is better - at least more relevant. I haven't playtested it, but {Force of Will} seems like a bad 2-for-1. I know people will jam it, even though it's not that good, and I am sure it'll lead to some tapout control decks which may not be a good thing.

Tbh FoW is still awesome sure it's a 2-1 but it's a manaless Counterspell. Why do you think {Mental Mistep} was banned?!!

Because any color deck could use it. FoW you still need to have blue. Kinda how  {Dismember} is used in a lot of decks that play little to no black.

Mattao19

Quote from: Rass on August 24, 2014, 09:34:29 AM
Quote from: Mattao19 on August 24, 2014, 12:55:21 AM
Quote from: Dudecore on August 24, 2014, 12:08:27 AM
I think FoW is probably not too bad in Modern. I know Wizards doesn't want to find out. It is powerful in Legacy and Vintage because it stops combo decks on turn 1, in Modern there really aren't combo decks that go off that early - the format is founded on that principle. Like Agrus said, {Pact of Negation} probably is better - at least more relevant. I haven't playtested it, but {Force of Will} seems like a bad 2-for-1. I know people will jam it, even though it's not that good, and I am sure it'll lead to some tapout control decks which may not be a good thing.

Tbh FoW is still awesome sure it's a 2-1 but it's a manaless Counterspell. Why do you think {Mental Mistep} was banned?!!

Because any color deck could use it. FoW you still need to have blue. Kinda how  {Dismember} is used in a lot of decks that play little to no black.

Look at Modern a ton of decks run U do you really want Twin to have a free counter?