Vigilence and tapping

Started by Mattao19, June 30, 2014, 12:49:45 AM

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Mattao19

Say I swing with my  {Anax and Cymede} and after declared attacks I tap them with {Springleaf Drum} to make {R} to play {Titan Strength} on it. Does this work?

Remillo

Sure.  Once a creature is declared as an attacker, it doesn't matter if it becomes tapped.  It'll still be attacking and still deal its damage.

Mattao19

Quote from: Remillo on June 30, 2014, 12:52:00 AM
Sure.  Once a creature is declared as an attacker, it doesn't matter if it becomes tapped.  It'll still be attacking and still deal its damage.

Awesome! Thanks dude for the quick reply!!

Chargingswadger

Quick reply, but he's incorrect. If you tap it down once it's an attacker it deals no damage that combat.

Mattao19

Quote from: Chargingswadger on June 30, 2014, 05:23:15 PM
Quick reply, but he's incorrect. If you tap it down once it's an attacker it deals no damage that combat.

You sure?

Chargingswadger

I know it is with blocking, and quite sure it is with attacking.

Rass

Quote from: Remillo on June 30, 2014, 12:52:00 AM
Sure.  Once a creature is declared as an attacker, it doesn't matter if it becomes tapped.  It'll still be attacking and still deal its damage.

This is correct.

Mattao19

Quote from: Rass on June 30, 2014, 05:32:37 PM
Quote from: Remillo on June 30, 2014, 12:52:00 AM
Sure.  Once a creature is declared as an attacker, it doesn't matter if it becomes tapped.  It'll still be attacking and still deal its damage.

This is correct.

That's what I thought. Just to be 100% can somebody provide a ruling :)

Rass

Quote from: Chargingswadger on June 30, 2014, 05:32:33 PM
I know it is with blocking, and quite sure it is with attacking.

Not anymore. I think around 6-8th edition they changed it.

Chargingswadger

I just looked that up and saw it. It was the same With attacking until 10th edition. My mistakes.

Rass

506.4a: Once a creature has been declared as an attacking or blocking creature, spells or abilities that would have kept that creature from attacking or blocking don't remove the creature from combat.

Or better

506.4b: Tapping or untapping a creature that's already been declared as an attacker or blocker doesn't remove it from combat and doesn't prevent its combat damage.

TheRagingMage

Regeneration also both taps and removes the creature from combat.  If tapping the creature removed it from combat, then it wouldn't need to say "remove it from combat."
614.8.: Regeneration is a destruction-replacement effect. The word "instead" doesn't appear on the card but is implicit in the definition of regeneration. "Regenerate [permanent]" means "The next time [permanent] would be destroyed this turn, instead remove all damage marked on it and tap it. If it's an attacking or blocking creature, remove it from combat." Abilities that trigger from damage being dealt still trigger even if the permanent regenerates. See rule 701.12.