Deadeye Navigator

Started by DimirOverlord1300, June 13, 2014, 08:41:27 PM

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DimirOverlord1300

So here's a broken card.

{Deadeye Navigator}

2 mana to flicker a creature and then 2 to repair him with anyone else? BROKEN. So what are you guys's favorite ways of breaking this card. I love using him with {Man-o-War} to bounce all of my opponents' stuff.

Mattao19

Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on June 13, 2014, 08:41:27 PM
So here's a broken card.

{Deadeye Navigator}

2 mana to flicker a creature and then 2 to repair him with anyone else? BROKEN. So what are you guys's favorite ways of breaking this card. I love using him with {Man-o-War} to bounce all of my opponents' stuff.

I honestly HAVE NO CLUE WHY THIS CARD ISN'T BANNED IN EDH!!!!!

Dead-Eye + any etb/leave the battlefield trigger is broken as hell

DimirOverlord1300

Quote from: Mattao19 on June 13, 2014, 08:56:21 PM
Quote from: DimirOverlord1300 on June 13, 2014, 08:41:27 PM
So here's a broken card.

{Deadeye Navigator}

2 mana to flicker a creature and then 2 to repair him with anyone else? BROKEN. So what are you guys's favorite ways of breaking this card. I love using him with {Man-o-War} to bounce all of my opponents' stuff.

I honestly HAVE NO CLUE WHY THIS CARD ISN'T BANNED IN EDH!!!!!

Dead-Eye + any etb/leave the battlefield trigger is broken as hell
It's not banned because I love it.

LordJanova

If you bounce a creature and return it to the battlefield it counts as a new entity with no memory of I guess "prior events" so to speak right? Like for instance someone uses spot removal to try and get rid of a creature bonded with deadeye and I bounce the creature in response, when it comes back onto the battlefield it's not the same creature that was targeted by the spell right?

Thetrufflehunter


Munchlax

I don't use it personally, but I have seen it used with {Great Whale} for infinite mana

LordJanova

I also forget, can you activate abilities and cast spells after blockers are declared and before combat damage is done? With the rest of what I asked you basically counter spot removal spells for two mana, but if you can activate it after blockers are declared and before combat damage is done you can also basically regenerate creatures.

DimirOverlord1300


Caininite

 {Draining Whelk} for countering
{Venser, Shaper Savant} for bounce countering
{Palinchron} {Great Whale} and  {Peregrine Drake} for infinite mana
{Gulf Squid} on opponents upkeep

Brawler_1337

I really don't like this card, but I built my {Derevi} deck with it because that deck was supposed to be as degenerate as possible on a budget. Main win con is Deadeye + {Palinchron} for infinite mana, then draw through my deck by bonding Comboenabler to {Coiling Oracle} or {Sphinx of Uthuun}, and then {Blue Sun's Zenith} everyone at the table for Graham's Number or more.

Sardok

In case people do not know, there is a small window where you can take out {Deadeye Navigator}.

The soulbond ability is actually a triggered ability, meaning it uses the stack. So you can respond to the trigger by killing the navigator and it can't flicker.

Therefore, it is not invincible.

Remillo

I have been very vocal to my playgroups about how much I hate this card.  It should be added to the ban list and Sylvan Primordial should be unbanned.  Navigator is a much, much bigger problem.

particle

Quote from: Sardok on June 14, 2014, 07:43:17 AM
In case people do not know, there is a small window where you can take out {Deadeye Navigator}.

The soulbond ability is actually a triggered ability, meaning it uses the stack. So you can respond to the trigger by killing the navigator and it can't flicker.

Therefore, it is not invincible.

they can also respond to your doom blade by flickering him again.

rarehuntertay

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Quote from: particle on June 14, 2014, 02:44:20 PM
Quote from: Sardok on June 14, 2014, 07:43:17 AM
In case people do not know, there is a small window where you can take out {Deadeye Navigator}.

The soulbond ability is actually a triggered ability, meaning it uses the stack. So you can respond to the trigger by killing the navigator and it can't flicker.

Therefore, it is not invincible.

they can also respond to your doom blade by flickering him again.

Incorrect. When Navigator or the creature you wish to soulbond with enters the battlefield, the soulbound trigger goes on the stack (it hasn't resolved yet). At this point, you can target the Navigator with a kill spell. If there are no more responses, the stack resolves, with the kill spell destroying Navigator. Then the soulbond trigger tries to resolve, but since one of its targets are not there, it fizzles.

The same is true when Navigator (or bonded creature) flickers back in. The soulbond trigger goes on stack, waiting to resolve.

Sardok is correct.

Mattao19

He's arguing a different point he's saying once they're bonded they can:

1. Attempt to flicker
2. Opponent {Doom Blades}
3. Attempt to flicker again