Khans of Tarkir (Speculations and Spoilers)

[LinkCelestrial]

I can see utter end going places

Is 4 mana all that playable though? If there's some way to reduce the cost. I'd like it a lotttt more.

{Cloudkey}. Oh wait not in standard.

[Spencer Addington]

I can see utter end going places

Is 4 mana all that playable though? If there's some way to reduce the cost. I'd like it a lotttt more.

It can take care of pesky things like {sliver hivelord} and zergo.

[LinkCelestrial]

I can see utter end going places

Is 4 mana all that playable though? If there's some way to reduce the cost. I'd like it a lotttt more.

It can take care of pesky things like {sliver hivelord} and zergo.

Sideboard. Maybe. Casual play? EDH? Hell yeah. Being able to remove Eldrazi, Walkers...so valuable.

[LinkCelestrial]

I'm super disappointed.  I just double checked his text and he doesn't lose loyalty cause he's not a Planeswalker. I was hoping he couldn't lose loyalty while he was a creature. Cause then that's reminder text so it always applies, so {Liquid Metal Coating} (I'm pretty sure there's something that permanently makes it an artifact...} + {Ensoul Artifact} + Planeswalker doesn't = invincible Planeswalker. Damn. 

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I'm super disappointed.  I just double checked his text and he doesn't lose loyalty cause he's not a Planeswalker. I was hoping he couldn't lose loyalty while he was a creature. Cause then that's reminder text so it always applies, so {Liquid Metal Coating} (I'm pretty sure there's something that permanently makes it an artifact...} + {Ensoul Artifact} + Planeswalker doesn't = invincible Planeswalker. Damn.

reminder text only has to be true at time of printing. the oracle can update it afterwards. if sarkhan is a creature and a planeswalker, dmg dealt would remove loyalty. but his +1 makes him not be a walker anymore so he wont lose loyalty.

[LinkCelestrial]

I'm super disappointed.  I just double checked his text and he doesn't lose loyalty cause he's not a Planeswalker. I was hoping he couldn't lose loyalty while he was a creature. Cause then that's reminder text so it always applies, so {Liquid Metal Coating} (I'm pretty sure there's something that permanently makes it an artifact...} + {Ensoul Artifact} + Planeswalker doesn't = invincible Planeswalker. Damn.

reminder text only has to be true at time of printing. the oracle can update it afterwards. if sarkhan is a creature and a planeswalker, dmg dealt would remove loyalty. but his +1 makes him not be a walker anymore so he wont lose loyalty.

That's why I just said it doesn't work. And I'm sad.

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I'm super disappointed.  I just double checked his text and he doesn't lose loyalty cause he's not a Planeswalker. I was hoping he couldn't lose loyalty while he was a creature. Cause then that's reminder text so it always applies, so {Liquid Metal Coating} (I'm pretty sure there's something that permanently makes it an artifact...} + {Ensoul Artifact} + Planeswalker doesn't = invincible Planeswalker. Damn.

reminder text only has to be true at time of printing. the oracle can update it afterwards. if sarkhan is a creature and a planeswalker, dmg dealt would remove loyalty. but his +1 makes him not be a walker anymore so he wont lose loyalty.

That's why I just said it doesn't work. And I'm sad.

yea i think thats a good think. just run {avacyn, angel of hope} if you want indestructable walkers.

[LinkCelestrial]

I'm super disappointed.  I just double checked his text and he doesn't lose loyalty cause he's not a Planeswalker. I was hoping he couldn't lose loyalty while he was a creature. Cause then that's reminder text so it always applies, so {Liquid Metal Coating} (I'm pretty sure there's something that permanently makes it an artifact...} + {Ensoul Artifact} + Planeswalker doesn't = invincible Planeswalker. Damn.

reminder text only has to be true at time of printing. the oracle can update it afterwards. if sarkhan is a creature and a planeswalker, dmg dealt would remove loyalty. but his +1 makes him not be a walker anymore so he wont lose loyalty.

That's why I just said it doesn't work. And I'm sad.

yea i think thats a good think. just run {avacyn, angel of hope} if you want indestructable walkers.

Indestructible walkers still get loyalty removed from damage. It's a replacement effect. Indestructible doesn't help, it just prevents destroy effects and stops it from dying do to damage by not checking.

Otherwise {Indestructibility} would be super broken.

[xStrayKnightx]

Not the Avacyn Restored Avacyn, the M15 {Avacyn, Guardian Angel}. Prevents damage to a permanent. Pretty sure that would stop any loss of loyalty.

[Mattao19]

Not the Avacyn Restored Avacyn, the M15 {Avacyn, Guardian Angel}. Prevents damage to a permanent. Pretty sure that would stop any loss of loyalty.

Sadly it wouldn't you're not "damaging" the PW it's just like how {Riot Control} can't prevent life loss

[xStrayKnightx]

My bad. Thought she covered permanents.

Ah! Wait, if you had {The Chain Veil} on the field, could you not activate Sarkhans +1 during the opponents turn? That would protect him from loss of loyalty, as he's a creature instead.

[Spikepit]

My bad. Thought she covered permanents.

Ah! Wait, if you had {The Chain Veil} on the field, could you not activate Sarkhans +1 during the opponents turn? That would protect him from loss of loyalty, as he's a creature instead.

Unfortunately, the Veil doesn't let you cast on an opponents turn. It let's you negate the once per turn, not sorcery casting. 😔

[rarehuntertay]

So either 2-2-1 or 2-1-2

2-0-2. Ha.

Or. Just to jank everyone.
2-0- -1 (one of the 2 gets banned and reserved XD never to print/be allowed.)

Nothing can be placed on the reserved list anymore, unless Wizards updates the policy. The last set to have cards placed on the reserved list was Urza's Destiny.
http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Reserved_List

[xStrayKnightx]

My bad. Thought she covered permanents.

Ah! Wait, if you had {The Chain Veil} on the field, could you not activate Sarkhans +1 during the opponents turn? That would protect him from loss of loyalty, as he's a creature instead.

Unfortunately, the Veil doesn't let you cast on an opponents turn. It let's you negate the once per turn, not sorcery casting. 😔

It says "this turn", not "your turn". Doesn't that mean it allows you to do it at instant speed? That is, during an opponents turn?

[Spikepit]

My bad. Thought she covered permanents.

Ah! Wait, if you had {The Chain Veil} on the field, could you not activate Sarkhans +1 during the opponents turn? That would protect him from loss of loyalty, as he's a creature instead.

Unfortunately, the Veil doesn't let you cast on an opponents turn. It let's you negate the once per turn, not sorcery casting. 😔

It says "this turn", not "your turn". Doesn't that mean it allows you to do it at instant speed? That is, during an opponents turn?

Confusion over this silly card seems to be the most common out come of M15. Check this MtGS thread out. Read the whole thread if you want but the last poster shuts it down with his L3 Judgey goodness.