Ban List Discussion (speculation)

Started by rarehuntertay, April 23, 2014, 08:03:49 AM

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DimirOverlord1300

Quote from: Taysby on January 11, 2015, 07:32:54 PM
Pod is arguably the best deck. It's not just good against delver. Also, tron and merfolk made top 8 so it seems pretty diverse.
Did you watch the billions of mirrors throughout coverage?

cltrn81

Pod won GP Omaga.  Very quickly I might add.

rarehuntertay

The top8 was diverse. Two delver, 1 pod, 1 merfolk, 1 azban, 1 Titan bloom, RG Tron... Can't remember the other

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: cltrn81 on January 11, 2015, 08:07:08 PM
Pod won GP Omaga.  Very quickly I might add.
Only because Spec punted the game.

Quote from: rarehuntertay on January 11, 2015, 08:20:24 PM
The top8 was diverse. Two delver, 1 pod, 1 merfolk, 1 azban, 1 Titan bloom, RG Tron... Can't remember the other
The top 8 is really not a good indicator, look at the day 2 meta game. Also, if you really look at the Top 8, every deck is either Pod or Delver, or has good matchups. The whole GP was really focused on Pod and Delver.

rarehuntertay

The other deck was a scapeshift deck. And if the whole day 2 GP was made up of delver/pod, then why wasn't every deck in Top8 delver/pod? Only 37.5% were Top8.

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: rarehuntertay on January 11, 2015, 08:32:59 PM
The other deck was a scapeshift deck. And if the whole day 2 GP was made up of delver/pod, then why wasn't every deck in Top8 delver/pod? Only 37.5% were Top8.
The whole day 2 GP wasn't Delver/Pod, but 23% was Pod and 17% was Delver, which are crazy numbers.

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: Taysby on January 11, 2015, 08:39:33 PM
So the winning meta doesn't matter?  All that matters is that people on a budget build the best deck they can?
Taking just the top 8 is a horribly small sample size, and I would call the Day 2ers "the winning meta." The difference between top 8 and 9th is ridiculously tiny that it is almost negligible (just ask Shahar Shenhar would took an intentional draw in the last round, and put himself in 9th). You can also see that despite Delver facing A LOT of hate, it turned it's 17% day 2 share into 25% of the top 8, meaning it was performing pretty well. The winning meta shows Delver has 25% of the meta, which are the same levels Jund approached, when it was nerfed. The numbers don't lie, the format is unhealthy and something has to change.

NovusOrbis

Aren't pod, tron, and Bloom Titan about the only decks that don't run TC? I've seen people splash blue in almost every deck type just to run it.

Even decks that use Goyf run it.

fj76ts4

Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 11, 2015, 09:25:44 PM
Aren't pod, tron, and Bloom Titan about the only decks that don't run TC? I've seen people splash blue in almost every deck type just to run it.

Even decks that use Goyf run it.

scapeshift/twin use DTT instead of TC.

NovusOrbis

Quote from: fj76ts4 on January 11, 2015, 09:31:38 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 11, 2015, 09:25:44 PM
Aren't pod, tron, and Bloom Titan about the only decks that don't run TC? I've seen people splash blue in almost every deck type just to run it.

Even decks that use Goyf run it.

scapeshift/twin use DTT instead of TC.
This is true, but they didn't splash a new color to use it. They simply got a hella-good upgrade to {Peer Through Depths} and cards if the like.

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 11, 2015, 09:34:41 PM
Quote from: fj76ts4 on January 11, 2015, 09:31:38 PM
Quote from: NovusOrbis on January 11, 2015, 09:25:44 PM
Aren't pod, tron, and Bloom Titan about the only decks that don't run TC? I've seen people splash blue in almost every deck type just to run it.

Even decks that use Goyf run it.

scapeshift/twin use DTT instead of TC.
This is true, but they didn't splash a new color to use it. They simply got a hella-good upgrade to {Peer Through Depths} and cards if the like.
Sadly, GP Omaha even saw Twin and Scapeshift decks playing TC over DTT, largely because Owen Turtenwald wrote an article saying TC is simply the best card in Modern and advocated playing it over DTT.

Esper

Does nobody else think {Treasure Cruise} will be banned soon?...

Mattao19

Esper we all do lol I think Bantings happen next week on the 19th but I may be wrong.

Esper


Z5

Bye bye jeskai ascendacy, and treasure cruise!