Ban List Discussion (speculation)

[blackychan1]

Another ban period will go by with no bannings or unbannings. There just isn't really a need for it right now.
     Sure, delver and blue are super popular. Before that it was burn/ RDW. People build what they can afford. That is what is meta warping. Not everyone can afford to build Pod. I am playing Pod, and I have no problem playing against delver. Not everyone can afford the Tarms for Jund. That is why delver is dominating the format.
     Besides, Low cost decks like delver and RDW will always be tier 1 simply due to speed snd vomiting their hand. No point in making it impossible to play delver by banning TC. People will just move back to burn.
     Ban {lightning bolt}. It's more prevalent than TC by far. It is meta warping. It'll shake the format plenty. Delver is less without bolt than it is without TC anyways.

[Mattao19]

He was kidding about bolt btw^^

But good points though but remand although good is tricky bc the decks with TC and DTT also pack counters but we get what you're saying

[cltrn81]

Yeah, but it's still just adjusting to certain decks. People go crazy about certain cards which aren't that good.

Which cards are you referring to that are not that good?

[cltrn81]

Yeah, but it's still just adjusting to certain decks. People go crazy about certain cards which aren't that good.

Which cards are you referring to that are not that good?

Basic lands............

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[Mattao19]

TC and DTT are bannable bc they are broken cards anyone who says that they aren't broken can look at the Vintage Legacy and Modern meta right now ...

BUT bc they're bannable doesn't mean that they HAVE to be banned but I suspect TC at least to be banned DTT may not though but {Ancestral Recall} in Modern is good? Who'd have thought!! Also sure they can be countered and messed up with GY hate but that's devoting your spells to screw that card and not on their 3/2 flier on T2 ..

[cltrn81]

Well said Mattao.  Point is that wizards makes hundreds of new cards a year and every once in a while we get these cards that push the boundaries.  I think it is neat they give us these awesome power level cards in common.  We sit back and complain about it when we should be appreciative of the vast amount of effort they put into keeping the game we love going strong.  (We give them vast amounts of money for their efforts but that is not the point 😜)

[Mattao19]

It's really good, but I don't feel like wizards should ban it. It's no ancestral recall. The reason it's p9 is because of its availability before turn 5.

True BUT it's still very close to it. It's just meta warping and extremely OP. If they ban it cool if not cool I don't really care and I can see both sides of the coin.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

I think the biggest thing is that is kind of raises the bar in modern. I makes the format more powerful, thus limiting the number of viable decks in the format. The only decks that are doing well in the Cruise meta are Delver, Scapeshift, and Pod, and fringier decks like UW Tron, Counter-cat and such have just been forced out completely.

[Mattao19]

I think the biggest thing is that is kind of raises the bar in modern. I makes the format more powerful, thus limiting the number of viable decks in the format. The only decks that are doing well in the Cruise meta are Delver, Scapeshift, and Pod, and fringier decks like UW Tron, Counter-cat and such have just been forced out completely.

And meta call decks lol RG Ramp (Valakut) are very well positioned and so is soul sisters apparently lol

[DimirOverlord1300]

If you try to say ban it because it has warped the meta, then ban snappy and bolt first. Yes, it is more common than other decks, but that is just because of its price tag and hype. Plenty of people would prefer to play expensive decks, they just can't afford it.

http://mtgtop8.com/format?f=MO

Really? Because a lot of pros have gone from playing expensive decks (pod) to delver because "casting treasure cruise is the best thing to be doing right now"

[Mattao19]

Taysby doesn't matter. Bolt is just a great piece of removal for everyone in R and Snappy fits in more decks bc of straight up value that doesn't give them the right to have TC and DTT bc Delver the deck that runs all 3 (Bolt TC and Snappy) gets a major playing advantage!

[imthelolrus]

Most likely bans:
{Jeskai Ascendency}
{Treasure Cruise}

Less likely ban:
{Dig Through Time}

Most likely unban:
{Golgari Grave-Troll}

That said, I really can't be sure what wizards will do, just that these are probably on their list of considerations. The troll is safe and wizards has a pattern of removing safe cards that they were just afraid of from the list. Others on the chopping block has been talked about to death.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Anyone watching GP Omaha? TC and Delver is everywhere, and the attendance is really low (1100), so I just can't see TC not getting banned now.

[rarehuntertay]

Anyone watching GP Omaha? TC and Delver is everywhere, and the attendance is really low (1100), so I just can't see TC not getting banned now.

Merfolk in Top4!!!

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Delver is insanely popular on mtgo. Didn't realize it was that bad until I got it 6 times in a row. (I was going off mtgtop8.com). People need to stop obsessing. Does it need to be banned? No. Would it cause a decrease in people playing it? Yes. If that's all you care about and not actual power level, then banning would solve the problem.

It is quite obvious from the day 2 metagame of GP Omaha that TC has warped the format. 17% Delver (despite all of the Delver hate), 23% Pod (the best anti-Delver deck).