M15 (baseless speculation and spoilers)

[gtfotis]

Why would you put Kiora on your boyfriend?

Are you trying to get him... wet? 😂

[Anoobass]

Ba-dum-chsh...

[Anoobass]

But no, my boyfriend prefers tezzeret, he doesn't like my {jace, the mind.love.er}

[Spikepit]

Just a couple questions: I have a {kiora, the crashing wave} on my BF @ 4 loyalty. 
1). If i activate {the chain veil} pre using one of her abilities, can I use the +1 and then the -5?  Or must I use the +1 first, them activate chain.

2). Should I activate the veil ability, and then use both a +1 and -5 on kiora, she then dies, and I cast another kiora, can I activate 2 abilities that turn?  Or does it only count for PWs that are on the BF when the ability resolves?

Thank you.

The Chain Veil

Legendary Artifact
At the beginning of your end step, if you didn't activate a loyalty ability of a planeswalker this turn, you lose 2 life.
{4}{T}: For each planeswalker you control, you may activate one of its loyalty abilities once this turn as though none of its loyalty abilities have been activated this turn.

...
    Because the last ability modifies the rules of the game, it affects not only planeswalkers you control when it resolves, but also planeswalkers that come under your control later in the turn.
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1. Yes, as you can see from the release note section above, you're changing the turn rules, so you can do that at any point in the turn.

2. The second Kiora is a new permanent so yep, 2 counters for the second one too.

[Anoobass]

So, new plan.  {Ajani steadfast}, {the chain veil}, and any PW with starting loyalty 3 away from ultimate = free ultimate.

[Mattao19]

Guys just be careful bc this combo is very easy to break up

[Anoobass]

No1 can stop {Johnny, Ca, Ca, Ca, Combo Breaker}

[AdamS]

posting so i can look at it later

[particle]

So, new plan.  {Ajani steadfast}, {the chain veil}, and any PW with starting loyalty 3 away from ultimate = free ultimate.

how do you untap {the chain veil}/ get 4 more mana to keep activating it?

[cltrn81]

So, new plan.  {Ajani steadfast}, {the chain veil}, and any PW with starting loyalty 3 away from ultimate = free ultimate.

how do you untap {the chain veil}/ get 4 more mana to keep activating it?

the new nissa for one

[particle]

So, new plan.  {Ajani steadfast}, {the chain veil}, and any PW with starting loyalty 3 away from ultimate = free ultimate.

how do you untap {the chain veil}/ get 4 more mana to keep activating it?

the new nissa for one

ok but thats not any planeswalker.

[particle]

So, new plan.  {Ajani steadfast}, {the chain veil}, and any PW with starting loyalty 3 away from ultimate = free ultimate.

how do you untap {the chain veil}/ get 4 more mana to keep activating it?

the new nissa for one

ok but thats not any planewalker.

and nissa doesnt untap the chain veil.

[cltrn81]

Ok I meant nissa for the mana {ral zerak} to untap

[particle]

Ok I meant nissa for the mana {ral zerak} to untap

yup {ral zarek} {nissa worldwaker} and {the chain veil} is a currently known combo. note that you also need 4 forests (or a {realmwright}) so you can untap 4 lands.

[respawned]

Ok I meant nissa for the mana {ral zerak} to untap

yup {ral zarek} {nissa worldwaker} and {the chain veil} is a currently known combo. note that you also need 4 forests (or a {realmwright}) so you can untap 4 lands.

{Xenagos, the Reveler} also works if you have four creatures