M15 (baseless speculation and spoilers)

Quisequise · July 02, 2014, 04:20:22 PM

From the upcoming M15 Release Notes: Each additional time The Chain Veil's last ability resolves will allow you to activate...

a loyalty ability of each planeswalker you control an additional time. For example, if you activate The Chain Veil's last ability, ...

untap it, then activate it again, you can activate a loyalty ability of a planeswalker you control three times that turn.

From Matt Tabak- Rules Manager https://mobile.twitter.com/TabakRules/tweets

Edit rules manager, not adviser

MuggyWuggy · July 02, 2014, 05:01:58 PM

But if you can untap the artifact and repay its casting cost...

Jesus - elspeth + a convoke spell could get nasty

blackychan1 · July 02, 2014, 05:03:37 PM

Quote from: Muggywuggy on July 02, 2014, 05:01:58 PM
But if you can untap the artifact and repay its casting cost...

Jesus - elspeth + a convoke spell could get nasty

Jesus the planeswalker??? Must be broken....

Quisequise · July 02, 2014, 05:05:13 PM

Quote from: bravado883 on July 02, 2014, 04:58:57 PM
Level 3 is way above rules advisor, so for now I trust the L3. And the clauses are in a janky order, but I read it that you only get to do it once. Just reorder the text: "activate one ability as if no other abilities were activated once this turn." It is super awkward though.

Edit: to be clear, not making a jab at rules advisors, they're awesome. But given conflicting rulings from an RA and an L3, I will typically give more credit to the more experienced L3.

Tabak is the Rules Manager for Magic. Not just an advisor. I mislabeled him

particle · July 02, 2014, 05:21:17 PM

well if thats true, than Magic majorly failed on the clarity front. confusing level 3s seems bad for magic.

cltrn81 · July 02, 2014, 05:40:41 PM

Quote from: Noblellama on July 02, 2014, 05:22:43 PM
Anyone see he new "I don't care if you block anything" sliver? Oh and it's a 2 drop...

That's nice, {hellrider} for a bear's mana cost is coolio

MuggyWuggy · July 02, 2014, 05:40:50 PM

Um...{stain the mind}
Good bye win conditions T5 or earlier

rarehuntertay · July 02, 2014, 05:57:25 PM

Quote from: Muggywuggy on July 02, 2014, 05:40:50 PM
Um...{stain the mind}
Good bye win conditions T5 or earlier

Turn 3 on the play?? That is nasty in Standard... I can see BG being a major upcoming player...

MuggyWuggy · July 02, 2014, 06:12:50 PM

Oh you gonna elspeth/sphinx/win condition me later?

No you wont

MuggyWuggy · July 02, 2014, 06:35:32 PM

The convoke is what I think will make it deadlier, you have the option to tap down creatures in addition to mana.

Avnger345 · July 02, 2014, 08:56:29 PM

Quote from: cltrn81 on July 02, 2014, 01:50:49 PM
I just made an ebay offer on "the chain veil" for $6 a pop. I am going to try and get two copies....we will see

Coolstuffinc has preorders for $5.99

MuggyWuggy · July 02, 2014, 09:00:17 PM

Scg is $5

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Well they had them...

Forbidyourways · July 02, 2014, 10:06:58 PM

Like I said the wording on The Chain Veil is janky and doesn't say you can only use the pay 4 tap ability only on your turn

particle · July 02, 2014, 10:15:04 PM

Quote from: Forbidyourways on July 02, 2014, 10:06:58 PM
Like I said the wording on The Chain Veil is janky and doesn't say you can only use the pay 4 tap ability only on your turn

right but pw abilities on their own have the restriction that they cant be used on opponents turn. so (possible) can + can't = can't.

LinkCelestrial · July 02, 2014, 10:27:46 PM

Quote from: particle on July 02, 2014, 10:15:04 PM
Quote from: Forbidyourways on July 02, 2014, 10:06:58 PM
Like I said the wording on The Chain Veil is janky and doesn't say you can only use the pay 4 tap ability only on your turn

right but pw abilities on their own have the restriction that they cant be used on opponents turn. so (possible) can + can't = can't.

Agreed. Plus imagine how broken it'd be. Same goes for untap reuse. It'd be broken and promptly banned.