M15 (baseless speculation and spoilers)

[Coffee Vampire]

Dylan thanks for the insight, +1!

[FlickerYourOwnIdentity]

Every time I look at Garruk's art I think of Lilliana's curse still lingering.  Due to the purple eyes and such.

Also where is my new sorin, I think he should be here.  He could fit into the theme...somehow...

[Kaworu, the Fifth Child]

In response SHOCK

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Also JtMS is impossible so need discussing it

Nissa will be getting a re vamp. {Nissa Revane} was not well received, and considered one of the worst Walkers to date

Mono black searches for consecutive Gray merchants.
That's not okay people. So Vess doesn't work either.

He's still banned in modern, so why is that?

Nissa?  Bad?  What planet are you from?

Why is that bad?  (Coming from a mono black player).

I'm curious why you think Nissa is good?

+1. You ey a 2/3 for free
+1. Crapton of life
-8. You win.

Seems good

+1-You have to put a elf into your deck, when there are better options
+1-You gain some life, pretty much irrelevant because you usually won't have enough elves to make a difference, unless you are playing casual, and then who cares?
-7-If you dropped Nissa on turn 4 and if Nissa hasn't taken any damage, you can put more elves on the field on turn 9 (again, only relevant in casual) and attack for lethal on turn 10, assuming your opponent doesn't have any board wipes.

I'm not so sure....

[DylanW18]

I like Nissa in casual, I do

But her ultimate can be done on turns 1-2 in Legacy ;p

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

I like Nissa in casual, I do

But her ultimate can be done on turns 1-2 in Legacy ;p

Ummm...no. I can maybe see a turn 4 or so, but there is no way to turn 1 her, sorry.

[DylanW18]

I like Nissa in casual, I do

But her ultimate can be done on turns 1-2 in Legacy ;p

Ummm...no. I can maybe see a turn 4 or so, but there is no way to turn 1 her, sorry.

No not actually ulti-ing her, I mean Combo elves that basically spit out their entire deck really fast, which is essentially her ult :p

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

I like Nissa in casual, I do

But her ultimate can be done on turns 1-2 in Legacy ;p

Ummm...no. I can maybe see a turn 4 or so, but there is no way to turn 1 her, sorry.

No not actually ulti-ing her, I mean Combo elves that basically spit out their entire deck really fast, which is essentially her ult :p

Okay...so if you can spit out a hundred elves, why do you need her? The point is, she isn't a very good planeswalker, we aren't discussing the ridiculousness of tribal in legacy.

[DylanW18]

I like Nissa in casual, I do

But her ultimate can be done on turns 1-2 in Legacy ;p

Ummm...no. I can maybe see a turn 4 or so, but there is no way to turn 1 her, sorry.

No not actually ulti-ing her, I mean Combo elves that basically spit out their entire deck really fast, which is essentially her ult :p

Okay...so if you can spit out a hundred elves, why do you need her? The point is, she isn't a very good planeswalker, we aren't discussing the ridiculousness of tribal in legacy.

All I'm saying is she's not good, simply because even her ult can be done without her, and therefore she's not viable, among other reasons

[Sparkle Ninja]

I like Nissa in casual, I do

But her ultimate can be done on turns 1-2 in Legacy ;p

Ummm...no. I can maybe see a turn 4 or so, but there is no way to turn 1 her, sorry.

No not actually ulti-ing her, I mean Combo elves that basically spit out their entire deck really fast, which is essentially her ult :p

Okay...so if you can spit out a hundred elves, why do you need her? The point is, she isn't a very good planeswalker, we aren't discussing the ridiculousness of tribal in legacy.

All I'm saying is she's not good, simply because even her ult can be done without her, and therefore she's not viable, among other reasons

{collective blessings}. {elspeth, suns champion}'s ultimate can be done without her, plus some.  Therefore, elspeth sucks.  Right? 

I'm
Actually sure that you're reasoning for Elspeth sucking was not at all related to the Nissa thing. He stated that her ultimat can essentially be turn one'd. You're saying you'll make a crappier version of elspeths emblem on the same turn she'd hit the field and make soldiers

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

I like Nissa in casual, I do

But her ultimate can be done on turns 1-2 in Legacy ;p

Ummm...no. I can maybe see a turn 4 or so, but there is no way to turn 1 her, sorry.

No not actually ulti-ing her, I mean Combo elves that basically spit out their entire deck really fast, which is essentially her ult :p

Okay...so if you can spit out a hundred elves, why do you need her? The point is, she isn't a very good planeswalker, we aren't discussing the ridiculousness of tribal in legacy.

All I'm saying is she's not good, simply because even her ult can be done without her, and therefore she's not viable, among other reasons

{collective blessings}. {elspeth, suns champion}'s ultimate can be done without her, plus some.  Therefore, elspeth sucks.  Right? 

I'm
Actually sure that you're reasoning for Elspeth sucking was not at all related to the Nissa thing. He stated that her ultimat can essentially be turn one'd. You're saying you'll make a crappier version of elspeths emblem on the same turn she'd hit the field and make soldiers

Also, {Elspeth Sun's Champion} is more flexible than {Collective Blessing} because she can make 3 soldiers to defend herself and you and she can clear the board of big things. Nissa's only good thing is her ultimate, but putting 4 mana and 6 turns into her is wildly inefficient and stupid.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

So, apparently the {Magma Spray} FNM promo has Koth on it and when someone asked MaRo about the Llowryn five being in M15 he said, "We'll have to wait and see "

[DylanW18]

So after reviewing the 2015 DotP promotional trailer, we see the card {Spider Spawning}. Now DotP 2015 does include Innistrad as a plane, but what about m15?

With the recursion of the Garruk vs. Lilliana themed story, Waste Not creating Zombies, and a Flashback card in DotP 2015, perhaps we are seeing an Innistrad based core set? A core set with flashback would be highly intriguing.

Most pontificate that they will not use such a complex mechanic in a core set, for new players, but I believe it's been highly received that core sets are very lacking in originality, and fun. Hence why they dipped their toes into a multi color Walker in m13, (which was highly well received by almost all fans), and now a story line based core set with another multi colored Walker, and that we are on the cusp of a new era of Magic, where Wizards is trying new things in order to see if they're better. That leaves almost everything fair game. (It also means we should be seeing more Legacy staples soon from the experimenting)

So if we see Flashback again, does that mean an m15 {Snapcaster Mage} reprint? Just some things to think about


Also I heard that 3 2/2 Wolves were auto included in the m15 pre release kits. That begs the question, what card needs 3 2/2 wolves? It wouldn't make sense to just give them to everyone if some random Rare/Mythic spit them out. No, it makes sense they would add those if someone pulled the King card of the set. Garruk.

Now, if Garruk is making 3 2/2 Wolves at a time, a + ability for that would be incredibly broken. An Ultimate for that is underwhelming. A middle minus ability perhaps? -3 or -4?


Just more of my 2 cents

[DylanW18]

Another hypothesis for Garruk might be


Garruk, Bringer of Death    {4}{B}{B}{G}


Planeswalker - Garruk

+2 Until end of turn, Garruk, Bringer of Death turns into a 7/7 legendary creature with Haste, Indestructibility and "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, destroy target permanent"

-4 Put 3 2/2 Green wolf creature tokens onto the battlefield

-10 Destroy all nonland permanents you don't control

Loyalty: 5


The + could also be

+2 Target creature gets -3/-3 until end of turn. Creatures that die this way return to the battlefield under your control



A theory about Nissa


Nissa, Wilderness Strider    {1}{G}


Planeswalker - Nissa

+1 Put a 1/1 green Elf creature token onto the battlefield

-1 Put 2 +1/+1 counters on target creature you control

-4 Draw a card and gain 1 life for each Elf creature you control

Loyalty: 1

[DylanW18]

Garruk isn't completely broken, he costs quite a bit. It's just a rough sketch

And Nissa is actually pretty good. A 2cmc making blockers and the ult draws quite a bit if she's been out, but yeah just rough sketches/ideas