The thread in which you discuss Obama and current American .politics. ...

[Wingnut]

I bowed out of this cause I got a couple karma pings and barely have any to begin with, but I've been reading.

I like that everybody for the most part is civil. The iMTG community is beast.

Yeah I've been in a few of these heated discussions and I keep expecting -1's but haven't had any. It shows the maturity level of the community and it's ability to disagree but still be family.

[Piotr]

Lol

[Spencer Addington]

Gun is the best personal defence tool known to women, given no more than 2h training. True or false?

False! While it may seem like it would help a woman defend herself, a woman is thrice as likely to be murdered by her intimate acquaintance if she owns a gun than if she doesn't. Intimate partners kill by far more women than strangers (16x more). http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2012.pdf

Rates of forcible rape are also highest in states with the most guns and least gun control:  http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0308.pdf

You provide statistics claiming that gun-armed men kill women.

You provide statistics showing that in countries with high crime rates, more people arm themselves to be safe.

No .poo., Sherlock? 10 days ban, I don't have time for bozos.

Did you really bring down the ban hammer?

[Piotr]

Lol

[Spencer Addington]

Gun is the best personal defence tool known to women, given no more than 2h training. True or false?

False! While it may seem like it would help a woman defend herself, a woman is thrice as likely to be murdered by her intimate acquaintance if she owns a gun than if she doesn't. Intimate partners kill by far more women than strangers (16x more). http://www.vpc.org/studies/wmmw2012.pdf

Rates of forcible rape are also highest in states with the most guns and least gun control:  http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0308.pdf

You provide statistics claiming that gun-armed men kill women.

You provide statistics showing that in countries with high crime rates, more people arm themselves to be safe.

No .poo., Sherlock? 10 days ban, I don't have time for bozos.

Did you really bring down the ban hammer?

Yes man. He can spread his lies on some other forums in the meantime.

What lies exactly? I must have missed a lot. Misinformation is a bit different from intentionally lying.

[Piotr]

Lol

[Spencer Addington]

If you lie to me, I don't care what your goal is. Goal does not justify the means, neither does good intentions.

So what were these lies?

[Piotr]

Lol

[Spencer Addington]

If you lie to me, I don't care what your goal is. Goal does not justify the means, neither does good intentions.

So what were these lies?

He lied that my claim is false.

I could say false. Is a knife not an above adequate defense tool that is more consistent than a firearm? Gun jams and misfires are a thing that had been know to happen on more than one occasion.

This is for arguments sake. I'm not claiming anything, so please keep that in mind.

[Gorzo]

Stop banning people for disagreeing with your personal beliefs. This is bullshit. Abstract is an incredibly helpful and generous member of this community, and you're going to throw a ban because you're the allknowing and every thought you think is the absolute?

Stop it. You're being childish and a bully. Abstract doesn't deserve it. The community doesn't deserve it. I'm really tired of you using extremist .politics. to push people around. Just stop.

[Spencer Addington]

Stop banning people for disagreeing with your personal beliefs. This is bullshit. Abstract is an incredibly helpful and generous member of this community, and you're going to throw a ban because you're the allknowing and every thought you think is the absolute?

Stop it. You're being childish and a bully. Abstract doesn't deserve it. The community doesn't deserve it. I'm really tired of you using extremist .politics. to push people around. Just stop.

^^^this^^^

[Piotr]

Lol

[Piotr]

Lol

[Spencer Addington]

If you lie to me, I don't care what your goal is. Goal does not justify the means, neither does good intentions.

So what were these lies?

He lied that my claim is false.

I could say false. Is a knife not an above adequate defense tool that is more consistent than a firearm? Gun jams and misfires are a thing that had been know to happen on more than one occasion.

You would be wrong: knife is a tool which is not self perpetuated, it uses physical power of the wielder rather than power of chemical cartridge. According to reality, statistical man is far stronger and have much better eye-had coordination skills than statistical woman, thus woman armed with knife is still not very likely to be able to defend herself. On top of that, knife requires far more than 2h training to be used efficiently in self defense.

My thesis stands: hand gun is the best self defense tool available to women, given no more than 2h training.

Well put.

[Piotr]

Lol