Touchy subjects: presidents (May be NSFW)

[Ekann1]

Bottom line for me, I don't believe it's governments role to offer healthcare.  They manage to break everything they try to run and everything they do have adverse side affects they didn't intend.

I would say that the convenience of the healthy and those who can already afford healthcare does not outweigh the right to life and happiness of the disabled and poor (who many healthcare companies would refuse to help).

I agree with this, and would +1 if I could; I've already +1'ed you today

[NyghtHawk]

Free healthcare is in no way an incentive to not work: it doesn't stop you from starving (and neither do food stamps very well) and most jobs must now provide health care anyway. If the unemployed have free health care, it means they will be healthy enough to continue searching for a job, not that they'll no longer have to work.

While you're intentions might be good, I find your argument flawed. Have you ever lived in a city? I have for quite some time. There are plenty of people young enough and fit for work but don't and live off food stamps, etc. I would see it every day. I'm not biased. Just what it was. Health care is not why people will or won't work.

Most people don't need health insurance until they are older or in certain circumstances. That's why the new system needs young people to support the older generations and those who need health care for emergencies or health problems.

Unfortunately most government programs are broken. They may have good ideas just never implemented or enforced as they should do to human nature, poor planning, cost, etc...

[abstractApathist]

Free healthcare is in no way an incentive to not work: it doesn't stop you from starving (and neither do food stamps very well) and most jobs must now provide health care anyway. If the unemployed have free health care, it means they will be healthy enough to continue searching for a job, not that they'll no longer have to work.

While you're intentions might be good, I find your argument flawed. Have you ever lived in a city? I have for quite some time. There are plenty of people young enough and fit for work but don't and live off food stamps, etc. I would see it every day. I'm not biased. Just what it was. Health care is not why people will or won't work.

Most people don't need health insurance until they are older or in certain circumstances. That's why the new system needs young people to support the older generations and those who need health care for emergencies or health problems.

Unfortunately most government programs are broken. They may have good ideas just never implemented or enforced as they should do to human nature, poor planning, cost, etc...

Very few people live on food stamps alone (20% of its users), and it is not enough to live well on (although I'm not saying it should be raised).

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-snap-challenge-the-claim-that-food-stamp-recipients-get-by-on-450-a-day/2013/06/19/110f6b14-d925-11e2-a016-92547bf094cc_blog.html

You say that the government should steal and make life miserable for people who have done nothing wrong?  Most (I know there are genuine exceptions but this is the vast majority) people who need the healthcare have smoked, drank, and done several other things to hurt their health, and are currently on welfare spending the money on drugs and cigarettes.

It sounds like you are for a socialist type government where the gov takes care of everyone's needs, and makes it so everyone makes the same (stealing from the rich who worked hard for their money and give it to lazy bum holes)

The idea that the people this law helps are mostly leeches is entirely untrue. Those who have disabilities and other preexisting conditions were being unfairly denied coverage, something which the ACA puts a stop to. Also, you have to apply for health care: they don't just give it out to random people on the street.

About socialism: if you think socialism is where the government redistributes everything, then you're thinking of communism. Part of socialism is where the government regulates things like health care and hospitals so greedy companies can't just screw over the needy. It isn't a bad thing in moderation, and is part of many successful European governments.