cipher and copying instants with guttersnipe

Started by ultimatetofu, January 06, 2014, 10:49:15 AM

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ultimatetofu

Do ciphered and/or copied instants and sorceries still allow guttersnipe to deal damage

particle

should be in rules, but you are "casting" a copy, which is all {guttersnipe} cares about, so damage will trigger off ciphered spells.

Kaleo42

Cipher copies and CASTS. "Copy" spells and abilities like {reverberate} simply copy no casting involved.

Wingnut

But to clarify a tad,  {Reverberate} itself will trigger Mr. Snipe, but not the copy it creates.

Caininite

Just to be clear the cipher will not trigger off of guttersnipe dealing damage because it is not combat damage, correct?

Kaleo42

Quote from: Caininite on January 06, 2014, 06:10:49 PM
Just to be clear the cipher will not trigger off of guttersnipe dealing damage because it is not combat damage, correct?
Yes

ultimatetofu


particle

 you do combat damage and trigger cipher. when you trigger cipher you CAST a copy of the spell. when you CAST a spell, {guttersnipe} triggers, so {guttersnipe} will trigger.

Kaleo42

Quote from: ultimatetofu on January 06, 2014, 11:34:39 PM
The cipher still triggers guttersnipe?
Yes. Cipher specifically states cast the copy. The resulting damage from snipe does not in turn trigger cipher again because it is not combat damage.