Question - Vendilion Clique

[Maxpayne03]

Hi, I have a question on {Vendilion Clique}.
Say my opponent got a  {Lightning Bolt} in his hands, I cast Vendilion Clique; when it comes to play, the triggered effect I choose his lightning bolt, but in response he cast it to kill Vendilion clique. Is it legal target for him to do that?
Last in first out. Vendillion comes into play > trigger effect > opponent response bolt it > then Vendillion goes to the graveyard >then the choose card effect happen?

[Paraluke]

Once the trigger resolves, he cannot respond with the bolt.

Scenario one:
Cast clique
Enter battlefield
Trigger

Stack:
(Top)
Clique trigger
(Bottom)

At this point if you and your opponent passes priority and the trigger resolves, he is unable to cast the bolt when you choose it.

Scenario 2:
Cast clique
Enter battlefield
Trigger
Opponent cast bolt

Stack:
(Top)
Bolt
Clique trigger
(Bottom)

If no further responses after bolt, bolt resolves. After that clique's trigger resolve and you can look at his hand without the bolt (since it has been cast).

[Maxpayne03]

Thanks Paraluke.
What if I choose scenario 1, but my opponent prefers scenario 2?

[Paraluke]

Preferred way belongs to the rules.

The actual way which the priority and stack works is that you have to declare your "action" and see if your opponent wants to respond.

In your scenario, you are the active player. It is your First main phase. You cast clique. Clique goes in the stack.

Stack:
Top
Clique
Bottom

You have nothing to respond to your own spell, so you pass priority. Opponent has a chance to cast instants or activate abilities. If he does nothing, he passes priority.

Clique resolves, enters the battlefield. Its ETB trigger enters the stack.

Stack
Top
Clique trigger
Bottom

Active player receives priority. You decide not to respond to your own trigger, so you pass priority.

THIS IS THE POINT YOUR OPPONENT DECIDES TO CAST THAT BOLT.

Once he declares he is not responding to the trigger, he passes priority and clique's ETB trigger resolves. It would be too late for him to say "I wanna cast my bolttt" once the trigger resolves.

It is common that informal games have "silent" agreements and not declaring all these passing of priority, but usually it is good to cast something and leave a second or two to see if your opponent wants to do anything, provided you are not. It is even better if you are an active player and you cast a spell then say "not casting anything else now" to denote you are passing priority.

[Anoobass]

It is unfortunately not up to you, it's up to him.  He must pass priority when the clique trigger goes on the stack, if he passes and chooses not to cast the bolt, scenario 1 happens.  If he casts the bolt in response to the trigger, scenario 2.  The option is up to him (in a sense)

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[Millionlittlee]

Well if I get this right he already looked at the hand. So at that point nothing can be put on the stack

[Giggle the Draco Genius]

Ya once your ability has begun to resolve he can not interrupt in the middle of it

[Particle]

Seems like people are confusing rules a bit here. Creature is cast. Both players pass priority and the creature resolves. The creature enters the battlefield and his trigger goes on the stack. Note, it does not instantly resolve. Each player has a chance to respond to the trigger. Player 2 can respond and attempt to kill the creature with the only card in their hand. Both players would get a chance to respond to the kill spell and if the kill spell resolves, the triggered ability from the creature would fizzle due to lack of a target.

[Paraluke]

Particle, in this case it does not fizzle. The trigger still happens and controller of clique can still look at his opponent's hand, just that it is empty (in your scenario). The trigger also says "he may choose a nonland card" so it's optional - but in this case he must choose not to, since there is no cards to choose from.

[Falcon182]

He could also use clique to cycle a card from his own hand, could he not?

[Kaleo42]

He could also use clique to cycle a card from his own hand, could he not?

Yes

[rarehuntertay]

He could also use clique to cycle a card from his own hand, could he not?

Yes

Would he declare the target player upon resolution of clique successfully cast? Or while resolving clique's ETB effect?

[MementoMori]

You declare targets when you're putting things on the stack.