Can I be cliched in my draw step

Started by Byerley121, August 13, 2013, 11:21:32 PM

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Byerley121

At any point in the draw step is their a pass of priority before the first mainphase?

Kaleo42


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Kaleo42

Quote from: Taysby on August 14, 2013, 11:05:13 AM
I thought a rule said passing of phases always passes priority?  ???
Except for those two.

adventus

116.3a The active player receives priority at the beginning of most steps and phases, after any turn-based actions (such as drawing a card during the draw step; see rule 703) have been dealt with and abilities that trigger at the beginning of that phase or step have been put on the stack. No player receives priority during the untap step. Players usually don't get priority during the cleanup step (see rule 514.3).

514.3. Normally, no player receives priority during the cleanup step, so no spells can be cast and no abilities can be activated. However, this rule is subject to the following exception:

514.3a At this point, the game checks to see if any state-based actions would be performed and/or any triggered abilities are waiting to be put onto the stack (including those that trigger "at the beginning of the next cleanup step"). If so, those state-based actions are performed, then those triggered abilities are put on the stack, then the active player gets priority. Players may cast spells and activate abilities. Once the stack is empty and all players pass in succession, another cleanup step begins.

Birdbrain

What about the {notion thief} something box combo. That coil take your draw step away

Deebiia

Quote from: Birdbrain on August 14, 2013, 09:23:25 PM
What about the {notion thief} something box combo. That coil take your draw step away
But it says specifically they still draw during their draw step.

Birdbrain

Quote from: Deebiia on August 14, 2013, 09:26:41 PM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 14, 2013, 09:23:25 PM
What about the {notion thief} something box combo. That coil take your draw step away
But it says specifically they still draw during their draw step.
the box I'm thinking of messes that up...let me find it. Hold on

Birdbrain

{Teferie's puzzle box}

Edit: the combo not only messes up ther draw, but basically prevents them from casting any further spells from that point on

Deebiia

Quote from: Birdbrain on August 14, 2013, 09:30:34 PM
{Teferie's puzzle box}

Edit: the combo not only messes up ther draw, but basically prevents them from casting any further spells from that point on
They still get to draw that first card during their draw step. So unless they draw an extra card, or you force them to draw another card they still get 1 card. You also have to realize, you're putting the cards in your hand on the bottom too.

Birdbrain

Quote from: Deebiia on August 15, 2013, 01:03:46 AM
Quote from: Birdbrain on August 14, 2013, 09:30:34 PM
{Teferie's puzzle box}

Edit: the combo not only messes up ther draw, but basically prevents them from casting any further spells from that point on
They still get to draw that first card during their draw step. So unless they draw an extra card, or you force them to draw another card they still get 1 card. You also have to realize, you're putting the cards in your hand on the bottom too.
your also getting every card you would have drawn. And can a third party please clarify. I remember seeing a thread saying this combo does work like this

Kaleo42

The box happens during the draw step. The thief allows one draw per draw step for opponents. This means the opponent may draw one card from the box or if they have no hand then they can draw once card regularly.

Birdbrain

Quote from: Kaleo42 on August 15, 2013, 10:41:29 AM
The box happens during the draw step. The thief allows one draw per draw step for opponents. This means the opponent may draw one card from the box or if they have no hand then they can draw once card regularly.
oh. I was wrong