Net Decks. A discussion.

[Vampyvyrus]

Aren't most net decks originally home brewed? I mean if you think about it, someone had to come up with the idea before it hits the Internet. This is what I consider a challenge...I want to make the next net deck before it hits the net. Whenever I make a solid deck ill take it to my lgs and wreck face...a week or two later ill see the my deck or one similar to it bc it worked and took 1st. It's the same thing as net decking essentially and I don't really look down on it. Everyone's used combos and synergies that someone else concocted. It's all the same even tho its on a smaller scale. Correct?

[Vampyvyrus]

Combos are ok.  A whole deck isn't.

Ok but where's the line? If you see an amazing r/u and an amazing b/g and decide to use the two decks best combos and make a whole deck out of it is that wrong? The decks completely different but none of it is your ideas.

[Dmreiss]

Combos are ok.  A whole deck isn't.

Ok but where's the line? If you see an amazing r/u and an amazing b/g and decide to use the two decks best combos and make a whole deck out of it is that wrong? The decks completely different but none of it is your ideas.

But if you can make those two combos work in a single deck that is pretty good and takes development.  I would say that would qualify as a new deck.

[NyghtHawk]

It's one thing to get ideas from top decks, it's another to copy that deck to a T. Magic is about being creative, there is no creativity in copying another persons deck exactly.

[Vampyvyrus]

Aren't most net decks originally home brewed? I mean if you think about it, someone had to come up with the idea before it hits the Internet. This is what I consider a challenge...I want to make the next net deck before it hits the net. Whenever I make a solid deck ill take it to my lgs and wreck face...a week or two later ill see the my deck or one similar to it bc it worked and took 1st. It's the same thing as net decking essentially and I don't really look down on it. Everyone's used combos and synergies that someone else concocted. It's all the same even tho its on a smaller scale. Correct?

Neg karma for this? Just stating my thoughts. It is a discussion after all. Grow up. Anywho I'm not condoning net decking as I've stated previously I nvr do it bc I enjoy making them myself. I'm just trying to say that everyone feeds off everyone else's decks. Playing decks is a good way to learn new combos and synergies. If someone plays with a net deck and they win, good for them. But I guarantee my home brew will still compete and more often then not I win.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Sorry I had a hissy fit yesterday, I was pissed off at some other people and just didn't want to deal with anything. I apologize, it was immature and I'll try not to do it again. I am also sorry if people felt I was bashing them, I am fine with some net-decking but I get mad when people with no skill show up at FNM and other more casual tournaments and think they are the best just because they have the "Top Tier Decks".

The type of net decking I don't like is when people go out and just find the world cup decks and replicate them, I don't have a problem with people looking at other people's deck designs and then trying to build around that idea, that takes thought and some knowledge of the game (sometimes even more than deck building). The whole "switch a few cards around" thing, I meant when people go "oh, this isn't a net-deck, the world pro deck runs two {Sphinx's Revelation}s, I run three" and other such nonsense, as long as you have put actual thought into reworking the deck, I would no longer consider it a net-deck. When I was saying I hate net-decking and when you net-deck it isn't a win, I wasn't talking about at tournaments I was talking about more casual play, like I said earlier sometimes net-decking is necessary at more competitive tournaments. That being said I still think that home-brewing is the best way to make a deck. It allows you to express your creativity and I look at deck building as a puzzle that begs to be solved.

Lastly, people who take FNM too seriously. (IMO) FNM is supposed to be a fun place where people can show up, get into Magic, have fun playing Magic and learn about the game through experience. It should be a fun and casual place where people can go who are trying to get into Magic, but people who only use top tier Net-decks at FNM are actually discouraging the growth of the Magic community. Trust me, I know what I am talking about here. Me and my friends play standard decks casually every day at school during lunch and have actually started a club that meets weekly (and got an adviser and everything), they love the game but they know that if they go to FNM, there is a good chance they will just be crushed by some jerk who thinks he is the best in the world because he is running the best deck in the world. If you are only going to win, please go to bigger tournaments, if FNM were intended to be hard-core tournaments the admission would be higher (at my LGS it's $5 and you get a pack).

I hope that this cleared things up and I think that most of the opinions expressed here can be agreed upon by both the pro- and con-net-decking crouds.

[Hunteroffire9]

Sorry I had a hissy fit yesterday, I was pissed off at some other people and just didn't want to deal with anything. I apologize, it was immature and I'll try not to do it again. I am also sorry if people felt I was bashing them, I am fine with some net-decking but I get mad when people with no skill show up at FNM and other more casual tournaments and think they are the best just because they have the "Top Tier Decks".

The type of net decking I don't like is when people go out and just find the world cup decks and replicate them, I don't have a problem with people looking at other people's deck designs and then trying to build around that idea, that takes thought and some knowledge of the game (sometimes even more than deck building). The whole "switch a few cards around" thing, I meant when people go "oh, this isn't a net-deck, the world pro deck runs two {Sphinx's Revelation}s, I run three" and other such nonsense, as long as you have put actual thought into reworking the deck, I would no longer consider it a net-deck. When I was saying I hate net-decking and when you net-deck it isn't a win, I wasn't talking about at tournaments I was talking about more casual play, like I said earlier sometimes net-decking is necessary at more competitive tournaments. That being said I still think that home-brewing is the best way to make a deck. It allows you to express your creativity and I look at deck building as a puzzle that begs to be solved.

Lastly, people who take FNM too seriously. (IMO) FNM is supposed to be a fun place where people can show up, get into Magic, have fun playing Magic and learn about the game through experience. It should be a fun and casual place where people can go who are trying to get into Magic, but people who only use top tier Net-decks at FNM are actually discouraging the growth of the Magic community. Trust me, I know what I am talking about here. Me and my friends play standard decks casually every day at school during lunch and have actually started a club that meets weekly (and got an adviser and everything), they love the game but they know that if they go to FNM, there is a good chance they will just be crushed by some jerk who thinks he is the best in the world because he is running the best deck in the world. If you are only going to win, please go to bigger tournaments, if FNM were intended to be hard-core tournaments the admission would be higher (at my LGS it's $5 and you get a pack).

I hope that this cleared things up and I think that most of the opinions expressed here can be agreed upon by both the pro- and con-net-decking crouds.

It takes skills to pilot the deck a hard expensive control or midrange  is harder to pilot than a cheap aggro, so you should be winning if the people are not that good.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Sorry I had a hissy fit yesterday, I was pissed off at some other people and just didn't want to deal with anything. I apologize, it was immature and I'll try not to do it again. I am also sorry if people felt I was bashing them, I am fine with some net-decking but I get mad when people with no skill show up at FNM and other more casual tournaments and think they are the best just because they have the "Top Tier Decks".

The type of net decking I don't like is when people go out and just find the world cup decks and replicate them, I don't have a problem with people looking at other people's deck designs and then trying to build around that idea, that takes thought and some knowledge of the game (sometimes even more than deck building). The whole "switch a few cards around" thing, I meant when people go "oh, this isn't a net-deck, the world pro deck runs two {Sphinx's Revelation}s, I run three" and other such nonsense, as long as you have put actual thought into reworking the deck, I would no longer consider it a net-deck. When I was saying I hate net-decking and when you net-deck it isn't a win, I wasn't talking about at tournaments I was talking about more casual play, like I said earlier sometimes net-decking is necessary at more competitive tournaments. That being said I still think that home-brewing is the best way to make a deck. It allows you to express your creativity and I look at deck building as a puzzle that begs to be solved.

Lastly, people who take FNM too seriously. (IMO) FNM is supposed to be a fun place where people can show up, get into Magic, have fun playing Magic and learn about the game through experience. It should be a fun and casual place where people can go who are trying to get into Magic, but people who only use top tier Net-decks at FNM are actually discouraging the growth of the Magic community. Trust me, I know what I am talking about here. Me and my friends play standard decks casually every day at school during lunch and have actually started a club that meets weekly (and got an adviser and everything), they love the game but they know that if they go to FNM, there is a good chance they will just be crushed by some jerk who thinks he is the best in the world because he is running the best deck in the world. If you are only going to win, please go to bigger tournaments, if FNM were intended to be hard-core tournaments the admission would be higher (at my LGS it's $5 and you get a pack).

I hope that this cleared things up and I think that most of the opinions expressed here can be agreed upon by both the pro- and con-net-decking crouds.

It takes skills to pilot the deck a hard expensive control or midrange  is harder to pilot than a cheap aggro, so you should be winning if the people are not that good.

I never said that people who net-deck have no skill, I said I hate when people with no skill net-deck and act like they are the best. Also I don't just play aggro, I play a try to play new deck every week at FNM because it keeps things fresh and fun. And FYI the particular person I am think of who plays a top-tier net-deck but has very little skill, I haven't lost to yet. It also takes more skill to design a successful and then play it well than to just 'pilot' it.

[Slenderbro]

If you think about it, no matter what you have... Someone, somewhere has the exact same decklist. It's not like what you have is 100% original wether you went on the internet or not.

In essense, we're all net deckers :-)

[imthelolrus]

I'll just leave this here for everyone to think about:

"I am a part of all that I have met; yet all experience is an arch where through gleams that untravelled world, whose margin fades for ever and for ever when I move."

[Crapshooter]

Aren't most net decks originally home brewed? I mean if you think about it, someone had to come up with the idea before it hits the Internet. This is what I consider a challenge...I want to make the next net deck before it hits the net. Whenever I make a solid deck ill take it to my lgs and wreck face...a week or two later ill see the my deck or one similar to it bc it worked and took 1st. It's the same thing as net decking essentially and I don't really look down on it. Everyone's used combos and synergies that someone else concocted. It's all the same even tho its on a smaller scale. Correct?

I was wondering when someone would point out that it takes a home brew to make a net deck. If you look it takes a rogue deck to create a winning deck that will be copied, but if anyone else remembers before there were sites to pull decks off wizards themselves used to print duel decks for the top two players. So in a way, both are valid, rogue decks create net decks and wizards has pushed copied way before net decking was a thing.

[Vampyvyrus]

If you think about it, no matter what you have... Someone, somewhere has the exact same decklist. It's not like what you have is 100% original wether you went on the internet or not.

In essense, we're all net deckers :-)

Careful bro. I said a variant of the same thing and got hit for neg 3 karma lol

[Hunteroffire9]

Sorry I had a hissy fit yesterday, I was pissed off at some other people and just didn't want to deal with anything. I apologize, it was immature and I'll try not to do it again. I am also sorry if people felt I was bashing them, I am fine with some net-decking but I get mad when people with no skill show up at FNM and other more casual tournaments and think they are the best just because they have the "Top Tier Decks".

The type of net decking I don't like is when people go out and just find the world cup decks and replicate them, I don't have a problem with people looking at other people's deck designs and then trying to build around that idea, that takes thought and some knowledge of the game (sometimes even more than deck building). The whole "switch a few cards around" thing, I meant when people go "oh, this isn't a net-deck, the world pro deck runs two {Sphinx's Revelation}s, I run three" and other such nonsense, as long as you have put actual thought into reworking the deck, I would no longer consider it a net-deck. When I was saying I hate net-decking and when you net-deck it isn't a win, I wasn't talking about at tournaments I was talking about more casual play, like I said earlier sometimes net-decking is necessary at more competitive tournaments. That being said I still think that home-brewing is the best way to make a deck. It allows you to express your creativity and I look at deck building as a puzzle that begs to be solved.

Lastly, people who take FNM too seriously. (IMO) FNM is supposed to be a fun place where people can show up, get into Magic, have fun playing Magic and learn about the game through experience. It should be a fun and casual place where people can go who are trying to get into Magic, but people who only use top tier Net-decks at FNM are actually discouraging the growth of the Magic community. Trust me, I know what I am talking about here. Me and my friends play standard decks casually every day at school during lunch and have actually started a club that meets weekly (and got an adviser and everything), they love the game but they know that if they go to FNM, there is a good chance they will just be crushed by some jerk who thinks he is the best in the world because he is running the best deck in the world. If you are only going to win, please go to bigger tournaments, if FNM were intended to be hard-core tournaments the admission would be higher (at my LGS it's $5 and you get a pack).

I hope that this cleared things up and I think that most of the opinions expressed here can be agreed upon by both the pro- and con-net-decking crouds.

It takes skills to pilot the deck a hard expensive control or midrange  is harder to pilot than a aggro, so you should be winning if the people are not that good.

People are
Such karma trolls i get neg karma for saying it takes skill to pilot a deck.. Your supposed to give neg when someone is rude.

[Vampyvyrus]

Ok I'm done with this convo...I've nvr recieved neg karma before posting my thoughts in this thread...I wasn't rude and I didnt bash anyone yet the neg karma keeps rolling in. Time for me to move on.

[Moneekahh]

I got hit for 2 neg karma on this OP by the same guy two days in a row. He needs to move on, lol. Anyway don't let karma pings stop you from speaking your mind. I still find it strange that people get so worked up over this subject. Meh.