Countering undying

[JustAWalrus]

What happens when you {cancel} {hound of griselbrand}

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

It goes to the graveyard, it didn't die so it doesn't undie.

[KILLERBEE]

If its still a spell, its not a creature.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

What? Casting a creature is still a spell.

[Bookmeister]

What? Casting a creature is still a spell.

Yes.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

Undying- "When this permanent is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, if it had no +1/+1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a +1/+1 counter on it."

Because {Hounds of Griselbrand} is still on the stack when you {Cancel} it, it never hits the field and therefore the undying ability does not trigger.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

What? Casting a creature is still a spell.

Yes.

I was replying "What?" to the comment "If its still a spell, its not a creature." because I had no clue as to what he was saying and then saying "Casting a creature is still a spell" in case Killerbee was trying to say it was not.

[Mlerner12]

Undying- "When this permanent is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, if it had no +1/+1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a +1/+1 counter on it."

Because {Hounds of Griselbrand} is still on the stack when you {Cancel} it, it never hits the field and therefore the undying ability does not trigger.

Actually, it says "dies". Don't know if this made a difference, didn't know if things like {Murder} makes it die or just be destroyed.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

If a creature goes from the battlefield to the graveyard, it dies.

[TheRagingMage]

700.4.: The term dies means "is put into a graveyard from the battlefield."

[Giggle the Draco Genius]

Okay I think we are a bit off track.  If your opponent casts  {Hound of Griselbrand} you can cancel it and it will go to the graveyard since undying needs to happen from the battlefield not the stack. Although if it just died and it is going to undie you can not cancel that, since it is an ability bringing it back, not a spell

[Double-O-Scotch]

That said, could you {stifle} an undying effect???

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

As long as it isn't a mana ability (because of {Stifle}'s parenthetical text.)

[Gorzo]

As long as it isn't a mana ability (because of {Stifle}'s parenthetical text.)

And undying is definitely not a mana ability, so yes you can {Trickbind} it, too.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

As long as it isn't a mana ability (because of {Stifle}'s parenthetical text.)

And undying is definitely not a mana ability, so yes you can {Trickbind} it, too.

I wasn't sure if there was some crazy card that has some weird undying mana ability. I said something about regenerate being a mana ability and was proven wrong but some oddity so I wanted to cover all the bases this time.