Enslaved Equipment

Started by Spikepit, October 21, 2011, 10:03:05 AM

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Spikepit

If I were to Mind Control or Corrupted Conscience or Enslave (etc) an equipped creature, could I then reattach the equipment to another creature I control?

BlackJester

Nope. You gain control of their creature, but they retain control of the equipment/auras attached.  Interesting to note, if you steal a creature enchanted by {Wreath of Geists}, it would count the number of creatures in THEIR graveyard.

Spikepit

Cheers mate! I figured as much (I also just needed make to make a post in the rules section. The pedantic in me was freaking out that there was nothing in it ðŸ˜,)

Phat Max

Lol, very nice :)

Yeah, you get the creature, but they still control all the stuff on it.

Mentonin

But would the equipment stay attached to the creature until re-attached or instantly unattached?

Phat Max

Until your opponent reattaches the equipment to something else, it will still be attached. :)

Springeralready

Is that true? I thought because your opponent's creatures are not legal targets for your equipment and visa versa, that the equipment "drops" from the creature, being that it is no longer a legal target. For example, if I give a creature that has {Pacifism} on it protection from white, does pacifism go to the gy?

Mentonin

It will stay on the creature i think. Enchants target only when cast, then they are not targeting anymore. A question: when u {Mind Control} a creature, will it come with sickness?

Kahciroz

Yes, a creature you played Mind Control on will have summoning sickness untill the beginning of your next turn.

MacUser001

A {Pacifism} will fall off if the creature is given pro white. I'm not sure what ruling exactly makes this happen but I was told this some time ago. Anyone is welcome to tell me otherwise and I'd like to know what rules back these up.

BlackJester

We're starting to get multiple topics in a single thread.  If you have a new question, please start a new thread with a descriptive name to help keep things organized.  :)

Equipping/Enchanting only targets in the beginning (though there are ways to enchant without targeting.  See {Replenish}. ) Once on the creature, it is no longer targeting that creature, just equipping/enchanting it. 

Protection prevents Damage, Enchanting/Equipping, Blocking, and Targeting (remember D.E.B.T. for short).   @Springeralready, notice the reminder text on {Vulshok Battlemaster}, he steals everyone's equipment, but they still control the equipment. Weird but true.

Mentonin

But they wont be able to equip it again until they can play a sorcery AND it will cost them precious mana;) so pacifism wont fall?

BlackJester

A) They can only equip on their turn at "sorcery speed"
B) They need to control a creature to move the equipment on.
C) Changing control won't affect {Pacifism}, but Pro:White will cause it to be put in the 'yard.

Spikepit

"Sorcery Speed" ... I likey!!!

Springeralready

Thanks for the clarifications. Good example creature too