Gideon Clone Stuff under new rules

[Bozo_Law]

What happens if my opponent [card]Clone[/card]s my Gideon creature? I asked my local L2 and he really had no clue. He said it had something to do with layering or something but he didn't know the outcome.

[Rasser]

 {Clone}
{Gideon Jura}
{Gideon, Champion of Justice}

Straight from the rulings


6/15/2010   If you activate Gideon Jura's third ability and then a permanent that's already on the battlefield becomes a copy of him, that copy will be just a planeswalker, not a creature. If the original Gideon Jura is still on the battlefield by the time the copy effect happens, each of those permanents will be put into his owner's graveyard as a state-based action due to the "planeswalker uniqueness rule." If the original Gideon Jura is gone by this time, the other permanent will be put into his owner's graveyard as a state-based action for having no loyalty counters on him (unless, for some odd reason, he already had loyalty counters on him).

[Mentonin]

Same happens if it copies WHILE entering the battlefield, the only difference being thy enter with loyalty counters

[Wally]

Same happens if it copies WHILE entering the battlefield, the only difference being thy enter with loyalty counters

How do you copy a permenant while its entering the bf? Isn't that just the state change between being a "summon planeswalker spell" on the stack into actually being a permenant on the bf. I don't think that action uses the stack so you would have no opportunity (priority) to play a spell at that time.  I could be wrong tho.

[Mentonin]

Gideon needs to be on the battlefield already, but not the permanent that is copying him. {clone} copies while entering the battlefield, for an example

[Rasser]

Here's another ruling
M6/15/2010   If you activate Gideon Jura's third ability and then a creature enters the battlefield as a copy of him, that copy will be just a planeswalker, not a creature. (The effect of Gideon's third ability isn't copied, just as the effect of a Giant Growth, for example, wouldn't be copied.) Since both permanents will be planeswalkers with the planeswalker type Gideon, each one will be put into his owner's graveyard as a state-based action due to the "planeswalker uniqueness rule."

With the new rules, (if you control both) you can pick one and the other would be out in the graveyard.

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