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Started by Mlerner12, May 28, 2013, 09:13:08 PM

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Dudecore

{Obzedat's Aid} runs into {Sin Collector}/Junk reanimator FAR too much. Those decks are just better then Omni-decks. Junk Rites is actually just a better deck, so plugging in Omni-combos and things is profoundly ineffective.

Jund is a better deck, Naya/Gruul aggro is a better deck, USA is a better deck. Turbo fog is better then Junk Rites consistently, but the {Obzedat Aid}/Modified Omni-Rites deck isn't as good.

Mlerner12

We've been rambling about omniscience. What do you guys want to say here?

Dudecore

Quote from: Mlerner12 on May 29, 2013, 11:19:23 PM
We've been rambling about omniscience. What do you guys want to say here?

That Jund is the best deck in the format, and punishes every other deck in a way that is nearly impossible to counteract? It's also the most expensive deck in Standard at the moment.

If you're casual, or play for low-stakes, {Omniscience} is a playable deck.

Langku

Quote from: Mlerner12 on May 29, 2013, 11:19:23 PM
We've been rambling about omniscience. What do you guys want to say here?

I want to say more about {enter the infinite}. As long as Dudecore is talking johnny/timmy how about {laboratory maniac}? Play a {fleeting distraction}. Yay!

I'm going to go build a {U}{G} urzatron deck right now!

Mlerner12

That is a boss find, as long as you have draw spells.

Dudecore

Quote from: Langku on May 29, 2013, 11:23:19 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on May 29, 2013, 11:19:23 PM
We've been rambling about omniscience. What do you guys want to say here?

I want to say more about {enter the infinite}. As long as Dudecore is talking johnny/timmy how about {laboratory maniac}?

{Laboratory Maniac} is certainly a win condition for Omni-Infinite decks. I prefer the {Psychic Spiral}, it's instant speed, it can be done on your opponents endstep to assure victory. Sorcery/Creatures scare me, especially if for some crazy reason they make you draw a card without any cards in your library (I don't know of anything that actually does this).

The competitive player in me says Instant speed win conditions are superior to their alternatives.

Agarrita80

 {Show and Tell}  {Omniscience} then cast  {Enter the Infinite} then play  {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn} then play  {Fervor} = good game!

Agarrita80

Quote from: Dudecore on May 29, 2013, 11:29:32 PM
Quote from: Langku on May 29, 2013, 11:23:19 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on May 29, 2013, 11:19:23 PM
We've been rambling about omniscience. What do you guys want to say here?

I want to say more about {enter the infinite}. As long as Dudecore is talking johnny/timmy how about {laboratory maniac}?

{Laboratory Maniac} is certainly a win condition for Omni-Infinite decks. I prefer the {Psychic Spiral}, it's instant speed, it can be done on your opponents endstep to assure victory. Sorcery/Creatures scare me, especially if for some crazy reason they make you draw a card without any cards in your library (I don't know of anything that actually does this).

The competitive player in me says Instant speed win conditions are superior to their alternatives.

{Sign in Blood}

Dudecore

^ good call. {Sign in Blood} plus the death of your {Laboratory Maniac} is certainly not outside of the realm of possibility. It is also fairly unlikely, still would rather hedge my bets with Spiral.

Langku

Quote from: Dudecore on May 29, 2013, 11:29:32 PM
Quote from: Langku on May 29, 2013, 11:23:19 PM
Quote from: Mlerner12 on May 29, 2013, 11:19:23 PM
We've been rambling about omniscience. What do you guys want to say here?

I want to say more about {enter the infinite}. As long as Dudecore is talking johnny/timmy how about {laboratory maniac}?

{Laboratory Maniac} is certainly a win condition for Omni-Infinite decks. I prefer the {Psychic Spiral}, it's instant speed, it can be done on your opponents endstep to assure victory. Sorcery/Creatures scare me, especially if for some crazy reason they make you draw a card without any cards in your library (I don't know of anything that actually does this).

The competitive player in me says Instant speed win conditions are superior to their alternatives.

The Spike in me agrees. But the Johnny is just too loud for me to hear any kind of reason.

Mlerner12

Quote from: Agarrita80 on May 29, 2013, 11:30:02 PM
{Show and Tell}  {Omniscience} then cast  {Enter the Infinite} then play  {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn} then play  {Fervor} = good game!

I could not approve of this strategy more.

Dudecore

I wish one day Spikes and Johnnies could be friends. Most of my friends are Johnnies, I hate when they play competitive and get angry at losing. Isn't that the un-Johnny thing to do? They blame the cards that spikes play, but not the cards they play...

Whatever. I'm a major Spike (except for EDH) so I guess I will never really understand it. I'm obsessed with playing perfectly, (I am sure there is a subtype of Spike I am) and don't mind losing as long as I play perfectly.

Dudecore

Quote from: Agarrita80 on May 29, 2013, 11:30:02 PM
{Show and Tell}  {Omniscience} then cast  {Enter the Infinite} then play  {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn} then play  {Fervor} = good game!

Probably wouldn't be the best if you had {Enter the Infinite} run into {Force of Will}, or Storm/Dredge/Countertop didn't even let you play. Legacy can be pretty mean sometimes :(

Too many decks, it's hard to meta-game against anyone. But you can always rest assured FoW will ruin your day.

Mlerner12

Quote from: Dudecore on May 29, 2013, 11:53:51 PM
Quote from: Agarrita80 on May 29, 2013, 11:30:02 PM
{Show and Tell}  {Omniscience} then cast  {Enter the Infinite} then play  {Emrakul, the Aeons Torn} then play  {Fervor} = good game!

Probably wouldn't be the best if you had {Enter the Infinite} run into {Force of Will}, or Storm/Dredge/Countertop didn't even let you play. Legacy can be pretty mean sometimes :(

Too many decks, it's hard to meta-game against anyone. But you can always rest assured FoW will ruin your day.

Well, you needn't cast EVERYTHING in your library.

Agarrita80

You can force of will their force of will or better yet  {Gitaxian Probe} before you start the combo