Whatever you feel like man

[The1337Magician]

I'm curious for the Christians in this thread to answer why there beliefs and bible stories were all taken from the Wiccan like rituals and stories o the religions that came before them. The mesomatamians and Sumerians had identical stories of faith and the means to follow them, and the existed far before even the first instance of anything Christian related. Or the Egyptian stories of the afterlife and sin? Christians just took what they  liked from other older, even ancient religions before them to control the people beneath them of the time. All these are historical facts that you can easily find with a bit of research.

The Jews are the starters of Christian beliefs. Adam was the first man. Abraham was a Mesopotamian. Moses was an Egyptian. Through all this, the Jews left others of slavery to make their own nation. Jesus was a Jew and started Christianity. The Jews and Christians share the Old Testament.

[Gorzo]

That seems a little harsh, Piotr. You insulted him by calling his parents unnatural, when by the true definition of "natural," which is "existing in or formed by nature" (copy and pasted from the dictionary.com, definition 1). You did harm to him by degrading his mothers, which he was clearly offended by. Thus, you broke iMtG law yourself, also. What punishment do you impose for that? Does Harvest not deserve restitution for being hurt as well?

On another note, there are numerous studies that show that homosexual parents raise children equally effectively and healthy as heterosexual parents. A quick google search can find them, and if you'd like I could go go find some links if it would so please you

[Piotr]

That seems a little harsh, Piotr. You insulted him by calling his parents unnatural, when by the true definition of "natural," which is "existing in or formed by nature" (copy and pasted from the dictionary.com, definition 1). You did harm to him by degrading his mothers, which he was clearly offended by. Thus, you broke iMtG law yourself, also. What punishment do you impose for that? Does Harvest not deserve restitution for being hurt as well?

On another note, there are numerous studies that show that homosexual parents raise children equally effectively and healthy as heterosexual parents. A quick google search can find them, and if you'd like I could go go find some links if it would so please you

I was insulted before I had the chance to define 'natural', please check the chronology as it is quite important when judging such cases.

I didn't call his parents unnatural, I provided my reasonable definition of 'natural', if by that definition his parents are indeed unnatural, that is an objective fact under my definition. Very similar to an objective fact that certain Christian beliefs have base in Wiccan-like mythology, or whatever. It wasn't my intention to insult as I do not see unnatural as something bad, I consider myself unnatural by my definition.

By your definition of 'natural' absolutely everything is natural, so your definition is pretty much useless in practice. For example, by your definition 'murder' is natural.

I find homosexual practices between men disgusting and unnatural, but I tolerate them as long as they are performed in privacy: no victim no crime. Tolerance is something fundamentally different from acceptance, I do not accept current promotion of homosexuality. Please do not advocate homosexuality here.

Gay people have no special protection on this forum, everyone is treated equally as long as they obey iMtG Law.

[Gorzo]

I was insulted before I had the chance to define 'natural', please check the chronology as it is quite important when judging such cases.

I didn't call his parents unnatural, I provided my reasonable definition of 'natural', if by that definition his parents are indeed unnatural, that is an objective fact under my definition. Very similar to an objective fact that certain Christian beliefs have base in Wiccan-like mythology, or whatever. It wasn't my intention to insult as I do not see unnatural as something bad, I consider myself unnatural by my definition.

That's all well and good, and I'm not saying that he didn't cross the line with his insult to you. I'm agreeing that his insult was uncalled for, I'm just trying to show you why he was so upset by your comment, and that you in fact hurt him too.

By your definition of 'natural' absolutely everything is natural, so your definition is pretty much useless in practice.

Untrue. 1st, it's not "my" definition, it's the literal and actual definition. If you redefine a word to mean something else, how is a stranger supposed to know that? If you don't tell him "oh by the way, 'Hello' means 'Please stab me with a knife 30 times' to me," of course he's not going to understand why you're stabbing him.

2nd, not everything falls under this at all. Bronze is unnatural. It is made by combining copper and tin, two natural minerals, but is not found in nature. it is man made. Steel is unnatural. Plastic is unnatural. These things are all manufactured. A genetically engineered, seventeen-armed man is also unnatural - manufactured as well, in a different way. Still unnatural. A person who happens to be attracted to someone of the same sex? Happens pretty often, and not just in humans. Without manufacturing them.

I find homosexual practices between men disgusting and unnatural, but I tolerate them as long as they are performed in privacy: no victim no crime. Tolerance is something fundamentally different from acceptance, I do not accept current promotion of homosexuality. Please do not advocate homosexuality here.

You are 100% entitled to your beliefs, no matter how much I disagree with you on this one. However that last part seems...odd to me. If I, or anyone, chose to advocate or speak in favor of the homosexual community, would you stifle those who spoke out? Would use silence free speech, and/or use prevention against them?

Gay people have no special protection on this forum, everyone is treated equally as long as they obey iMtG Law.

I hope I didn't give the wrong impression - I am in no way in favor of special protection for any group, person, or people. I am saying what I say because I do want equal treatment for all. I do not want bias to cause unjust over-punishment for this particular member.

[Piotr]

'If you redefine a word to mean something else, how is a stranger supposed to know that?' - You seem to dismiss the fact that I provided my definition of 'natural', together with clarifying example.

'Bronze is unnatural.' - this is helpful, you define 'natural' as 'non man-made'. Under that definition, homosexuality would indeed seem to be natural. Still, if some random twat gets 'offended' by a word which has no pejorative connotations at all and insults any member based on his 'hurt feelings', they will face just punishment, no worries. We are practical folks here, I love discussions, philosophy, splitting hairs and stuff, but enough is enough.

'If I, or anyone, chose to advocate or speak in favor of the homosexual community, would you stifle those who spoke out? Would use silence free speech, and/or use prevention against them?' - I can prove that people do not want homosexual advocacy be done to them. You are free to advocate whatever you please on your own private property. We are very pro free speech on Gathering, but I will not hesitate to stop certain ideas from spreading. I have good reasons for that, if only PG-9.

[Piotr]

I do not want bias to cause unjust over-punishment for this particular member.

Between you and me, he was trying to pick up a fight. 30 days should be enough to heal his nose bleed.

[Piotr]

I do not want bias to cause unjust over-punishment for this particular member.

Ban is not a harsh punishment. It's not really a proper punishment at all. All of you are welcome guests on my forum, but it is my forum, my private property and I can revoke your invitation to it at any point of time at my whim. I do not execute this right at my whim, rather I use iMtG Law to restrain myself, but it is my right nevertheless, as per natural private ownership laws. This is actually how I 'enforce' iMtG Law in practice, as the owner of the forum.

For what he said to me the proper punishment is non-permanent-damaging punch in the face, should the victim wish to enjoy it, or less if proper apology was received. Fair enough?

[Piotr]

I find homosexual practices between men disgusting

To clarify, I find disgusting sticking male reproductive organs into exit holes of other male's digestive tract.

[Destore117]

Everybody why are you fighting! This is NOT what this thread was intended for!

[Gorzo]

Everybody why are you fighting! This is NOT what this thread was intended for!

Don't worry, we're not fighting, only debating! Debate is good and healty, and an important form of expressing one's self.

[Apathy Reactor]

Everybody why are you fighting! This is NOT what this thread was intended for!

Don't worry, we're not fighting, only debating! Debate is good and healty, and an important form of expressing one's self.

true, but I think we could all calm it down a few degrees.

[Destore117]

Everybody why are you fighting! This is NOT what this thread was intended for!

Don't worry, we're not fighting, only debating! Debate is good and healty, and an important form of expressing one's self.

true, but I think we could all calm it down a few degrees.

Indeed^^
Like I'm all for debates but some of these are border lining straight assaulting people.

[Double-O-Scotch]

As a heterosexual male who is comfortable with my sexuality, I gotta be honest guys, there aren't enough gay guys in the world. Now before you judge, consider this...

If EVERY other guy but me was gay, That would leave every single straight female at my mercy. It would make me the most desirable bachelor on the planet. As far as I'm concerned, the more gay guys there are, the easier it is for the rest of us. Think about it lol

[MuggyWuggy]

If you can't get a straight female in this world due to ratio of competition...you're doing it wrong 😜

[Double-O-Scotch]

I'm saying generally. I'm already mated. I'm just saying that gay people make promiscuity easier for the straight people...lol