Naya Blitz

Started by Opticarrow8, April 24, 2013, 11:07:40 PM

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MisterJH

You both sound like little snobby/angry children. Not trying to incite anything, im a completely objective bystander and dont realy care, but its the truth.

JordanCirk

You're both in the wrong.

For the deck builder:
1. You shouldn't be saying stuff like "I win 99/100 times." Makes you sound cocky.
2. Just because a deck won a big tournament doesn't mean it's a perfect deck, the aristocrats for example, has never beaten my deck. I'm not saying it can't, I'm saying it never has.

For the guy commenting with his RUG deck:
1. These decks are up here for constructive critisicum or just for helpful advise. Not to brig someone down.

Can we just agree to disagree and just play the game of magic, which is the whole reason we are here.

Wsuryanjeska

I know... I'm sorry I wasn't giving "constructive" criticism. But hey, he's winning 99% of his games, so there is no reason to give him anymore advice, he has obviously perfected the MTG hustle.

Opticarrow8

I didnt post this for people to edit it. I just wanted to put it out here for someone looking for a deck. I can be cocky if i want, it's my deck. Downvote me if you want but this isnt the reason why i put it here.

MisterJH

Please people. Lets act a little bit older than 7. 12 is a good age to aim for. Like the previous person said, you are BOTH WRONG.

Opticarrow8

Quote from: MisterJH on April 25, 2013, 10:15:17 PM
Please people. Lets act a little bit older than 7. 12 is a good age to aim for. Like the previous person said, you are BOTH WRONG.
Nobody is arguing...

MisterJH

Quote from: Opticarrow8 on April 25, 2013, 10:16:57 PM
Quote from: MisterJH on April 25, 2013, 10:15:17 PM
Please people. Lets act a little bit older than 7. 12 is a good age to aim for. Like the previous person said, you are BOTH WRONG.
Nobody is arguing...
I didn't say arguing. But continue as you wish, it's all the same to me.

Opticarrow8

Quote from: MisterJH on April 25, 2013, 10:24:22 PM
Quote from: Opticarrow8 on April 25, 2013, 10:16:57 PM
Quote from: MisterJH on April 25, 2013, 10:15:17 PM
Please people. Lets act a little bit older than 7. 12 is a good age to aim for. Like the previous person said, you are BOTH WRONG.
Nobody is arguing...
I didn't say arguing. But continue as you wish, it's all the same to me.
At this very moment... You are the only one still complaining/posting other than myself responding.

Karrthus

Quote from: Coffee Vampire on April 25, 2013, 03:44:21 AM
I think that {Silverblade Paladin} is better than the medic because he highers your damage count when he comes into play. Though if you find yourself playing a lot of mirror matches, indestructable is better. However, if you play control more, go with silverblade, since by the time they can sphinx's rev they should be dead.
Agreed

Crovaxian

I don't understand how you can net deck and claim it for your own?  I thought the purpose of this forum was to give constructive criticism to people who legitimately crafted decks, not suffer those trolling with a carbon copy net deck.

Kaleo42

I am sorely dissapointed with this thread for a multitude of reasons but mainly because in almost two full pages not a single truly constructive thing has been stated.

First off, blitz is an amazing aggro deck, I havent seen anything that consistantly fast since zendikar goblin RDW. That being said, it functions on low mana, unimportant creatures each doing their own work so if one falls the others dont care (this is why silver should never be run in a blitz, not to mention double white can stall you sometimes and that is a ticket to a loss), and it's lethal damage potential falls before any other deck can stablize fully.

The hardest parts of playing blitz are when to mulligan and what to change to fit your meta.

In my meta only two people can pilot blitz well enough to get it to top 8 and I do it using a midrange build that beats what blitz loses two and then sideboard into true blitz for game two. The other guy is a great player and judge and plays a traditional blitz when he does play. Since I can and have piloted this fine tuned deck to the top I can with full confidence make suggestions to a difficult to improve deck.

The true problem I see with net decks it how people react to them, not that they exist. Did you know circular wheels have been tested by many people and are said to perform better than square ones or any other shape? Infact they have been so well tested that it is very difficult for anyone, let alone the general masses, to improve on it's design. Please though, if you feel you can do it better or simply dont respect people who use wheels then either go figure out a better wheel, shut up and us it, or learn how to make a freaking jet pack that even the people making wheels will be impressed with (but know youll probably fall on your face a lot while you try to perfect that jet pack).
That is my view on net decks via metaphor.

The 99/100 thing is an unnecessary statement that without in person credentials is ticket to trolling. That's just the nature of the internet, especially with a group that can and does disprove that style of deck having that kind of record. Blitz is good but people are learning to beat it more effectively every day.

As far as constructive statements go (you will get these if you post and dont incite trolling unless you specificaly state this is just for others to referance) i mostly have dragon's maze suggestions.
{Zhur-Taa Druid} will allow for slightly more midrange options like huntmaster and hellrider while not lowering the max damage potential more than point or two if at all on turn 3. As the meta evolves I believe blitz will only survive if it has access to midrange either in board or in a few slots main.
{Legion's Initiative} obviously, but as far as the amount go i am not sure. Plus one power to shaman, waif, mauler and whatever else will be great as well as having {boros charm} like additions. Which I thin you should consider more and more as the meta forces that midrange sub theme.
{Voice of resurgence} wont be cheap or even necessary, but a two drop {doomed traveler} that craps dudes who get bigger than the rest of your board seems good.
{Ghor clan rampager} it's a meta call really, excessive spot removal says this is a bad idea while excessive ramp into bigger dudes says you need it.

Wsuryanjeska

Quote from: Kaleo42 on April 26, 2013, 12:40:19 PM
I am sorely dissapointed with this thread for a multitude of reasons but mainly because in almost two full pages not a single truly constructive thing has been stated.

First off, blitz is an amazing aggro deck, I havent seen anything that consistantly fast since zendikar goblin RDW. That being said, it functions on low mana, unimportant creatures each doing their own work so if one falls the others dont care (this is why silver should never be run in a blitz, not to mention double white can stall you sometimes and that is a ticket to a loss), and it's lethal damage potential falls before any other deck can stablize fully.

The hardest parts of playing blitz are when to mulligan and what to change to fit your meta.

In my meta only two people can pilot blitz well enough to get it to top 8 and I do it using a midrange build that beats what blitz loses two and then sideboard into true blitz for game two. The other guy is a great player and judge and plays a traditional blitz when he does play. Since I can and have piloted this fine tuned deck to the top I can with full confidence make suggestions to a difficult to improve deck.

The true problem I see with net decks it how people react to them, not that they exist. Did you know circular wheels have been tested by many people and are said to perform better than square ones or any other shape? Infact they have been so well tested that it is very difficult for anyone, let alone the general masses, to improve on it's design. Please though, if you feel you can do it better or simply dont respect people who use wheels then either go figure out a better wheel, shut up and us it, or learn how to make a freaking jet pack that even the people making wheels will be impressed with (but know youll probably fall on your face a lot while you try to perfect that jet pack).
That is my view on net decks via metaphor.

The 99/100 thing is an unnecessary statement that without in person credentials is ticket to trolling. That's just the nature of the internet, especially with a group that can and does disprove that style of deck having that kind of record. Blitz is good but people are learning to beat it more effectively every day.

As far as constructive statements go (you will get these if you post and dont incite trolling unless you specificaly state this is just for others to referance) i mostly have dragon's maze suggestions.
{Zhur-Taa Druid} will allow for slightly more midrange options like huntmaster and hellrider while not lowering the max damage potential more than point or two if at all on turn 3. As the meta evolves I believe blitz will only survive if it has access to midrange either in board or in a few slots main.
{Legion's Initiative} obviously, but as far as the amount go i am not sure. Plus one power to shaman, waif, mauler and whatever else will be great as well as having {boros charm} like additions. Which I thin you should consider more and more as the meta forces that midrange sub theme.
{Voice of resurgence} wont be cheap or even necessary, but a two drop {doomed traveler} that craps dudes who get bigger than the rest of your board seems good.
{Ghor clan rampager} it's a meta call really, excessive spot removal says this is a bad idea while excessive ramp into bigger dudes says you need it.

While I completely agree with everything you've said here, I just don't get why you feel the need to offer this much advice to someone who is WINNING 99 OUT OF 100 GAMES! Why not offer this much advice to someone who actually needs it?!? Seriously, I don't ever see these kind of posts on my decks, and I ACTUALLY WANT HELP! I dont win nearly as much as this guy.


Dudecore

#27
Just claim that you win 99% of the time, people will come challenge you with their decks and you'll get some advice.

Edit: I've given up offering advice. Certain users just want to do what they wanna do.

Kaleo42

I dont have a whole lot of time to I tend to only respond to things when i am intreaged by the idea or moderation is needed like this case. I do however always respond to PMs and anyone is welcome to PM me.

Karrthus

I see your point Kaleo. My post was just to state that I agreed, obviously. Lol. I personally think the paladin should find its way in. The fact that its 2 white mana cost is for the most part irrelevant. A little mana fixing could easily fix that and work to support the paladin so it's not a dead card in your hand. IMO if it isn't main board or should deffinatly be in side.
And for the reaction on net decking, it doesn't really matter if its net deck or not. Our job as a community is to help each other, so that we all go to our next event with a competitive edge suggested to us by the like minded friends on this forum. So if a net deck is posted we should try to find the flaws in it and help our members to fix them. Making it an original "based off the deck".