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[Silent1236]

Take out a  {Master Biomancer} and add one more  {Vorel of the Hull Clade} so you have an extra one in case the other dies.

I'd vote against that.  Vorel is super slow, but {Master Biomancer} lets your others come out huge.  I personally don't like Vorel that much.

[Xaol]

Take out a  {Master Biomancer} and add one more  {Vorel of the Hull Clade} so you have an extra one in case the other dies.

I'd vote against that.  Vorel is super slow, but {Master Biomancer} lets your others come out huge.  I personally don't like Vorel that much.

I agree. Vorel seems too slow for any competitive play if we look at modern's speeds.  Maybe if his ability doubled the amount of counters. Consider {Cytoplast Manipulator} to steal their creatures?

[InfinitiveDivinity]

Take out a  {Master Biomancer} and add one more  {Vorel of the Hull Clade} so you have an extra one in case the other dies.

I'd vote against that.  Vorel is super slow, but {Master Biomancer} lets your others come out huge.  I personally don't like Vorel that much.

I agree. Vorel seems too slow for any competitive play if we look at modern's speeds.  Maybe if his ability doubled the amount of counters. Consider {Cytoplast Manipulator} to steal their creatures?

Vorel adds a counter for every counter already on it, so it effectively doubles the counters, any types of counters on it! He's kind of cool.

[Xaol]

Take out a  {Master Biomancer} and add one more  {Vorel of the Hull Clade} so you have an extra one in case the other dies.

I'd vote against that.  Vorel is super slow, but {Master Biomancer} lets your others come out huge.  I personally don't like Vorel that much.

I agree. Vorel seems too slow for any competitive play if we look at modern's speeds.  Maybe if his ability doubled the amount of counters. Consider {Cytoplast Manipulator} to steal their creatures?

Vorel adds a counter for every counter already on it, so it effectively doubles the counters, any types of counters on it! He's kind of cool.

Ah! Yes, you are correct. I think the phrasing just threw me off a bit.

[Silent1236]

Isn't it counting each counter type?  Like charge counter, filibuster, +1/+1, etc, not doubling the existing?

[abstractApathist]

Isn't it counting each counter type?  Like charge counter, filibuster, +1/+1, etc, not doubling the existing?

No, it doubles the number of counters of each type of counter. It isn't proliferate, it doubles them.

[Silent1236]

Oh, well I grossly underestimated him...

[IntoFire]

 {Evolution Vat} could be a good addition to this deck.

[AgrusKos]

{Evolution Vat} could be a good addition to this deck.

It seems really mana heavy, I mean, that's 7 mana total, and in one turn...

[IntoFire]

Well,you know,I'm just saying it might* help,maybe not,but maybe.

[AgrusKos]

I'm considering {Primordial Hydra}

[Silent1236]

I don't really like {Unexpected Results}. It's easy to "whiff" and pay 4 mana or a 1-3 drop. For some reason I want to say {Thrun the Last Troll}, but I don't think he'd fit the counter-ness of the deck.  But I like him as a target to boost.

[AgrusKos]

I don't really like {Unexpected Results}. It's easy to "whiff" and pay 4 mana or a 1-3 drop. For some reason I want to say {Thrun the Last Troll}, but I don't think he'd fit the counter-ness of the deck.  But I like him as a target to boost.

Well I like it with Craterhoof and Prime Speaker

[AgrusKos]

Added more{Vorel of the Hull Clad}, a {Primordial Hydra}, and took out one {Unexpected Results}

[AgrusKos]

Sideboard help? I need help against weenie decks