The Overrated Thread

[Mikefrompluto]

Batman is overrated

Ouch.

well the old movies definitely. The joker realy didn't have that joker feel in the first batman movie which came out in the...80's? 90's? Isn't the joker suppose to have a rakdos like mindset?

No way man. The Joker has always had a cartoony sensibility. Watch the cartoons with Mark Hamill as the Joker and the Adam West series. THATS the Joker. Ledger was great, don't get me wrong. But that was just a different take on it. Read The Kilking Joke by Alan Moore. Perfectly sums up the Joker in less than 100 pages.

[Mikefrompluto]

SOME batman is overrated. The older movies I think were meh, the Dark Knight I really enjoyed (Heath Ledger really did a phenomenal job as the joker), but then the new one with Bane was another meh.

But of course the old series with Adam West was a classic. Pretty funny stuff. I laugh every time I see the .gif of him with the giant, oversized, round, cartoony bomb trying to find a safe place to let it detonate.

I grew up on reruns of the Adam West Batman. It never occurred to me that it was supposed to be funny until recently. "Quick! Grab the Batpen!"

I really, really like how Nolan took Bane back to his roots. I was pissed when they made him a mindless thug in Batman and Robin.

[Birdbrain]

Batman is overrated

Ouch.

well the old movies definitely. The joker realy didn't have that joker feel in the first batman movie which came out in the...80's? 90's? Isn't the joker suppose to have a rakdos like mindset?

No way man. The Joker has always had a cartoony sensibility. Watch the cartoons with Mark Hamill as the Joker and the Adam West series. THATS the Joker. Ledger was great, don't get me wrong. But that was just a different take on it. Read The Kilking Joke by Alan Moore. Perfectly sums up the Joker in less than 100 pages.

ok. So what guild would you put the joker in?

[Mikefrompluto]

Batman is overrated

Ouch.

well the old movies definitely. The joker realy didn't have that joker feel in the first batman movie which came out in the...80's? 90's? Isn't the joker suppose to have a rakdos like mindset?

No way man. The Joker has always had a cartoony sensibility. Watch the cartoons with Mark Hamill as the Joker and the Adam West series. THATS the Joker. Ledger was great, don't get me wrong. But that was just a different take on it. Read The Kilking Joke by Alan Moore. Perfectly sums up the Joker in less than 100 pages.

ok. So what guild would you put the joker in?

Rakdos for sure. That part of your statement I agree with. I was disputing the fact that you said the Tim Burton Joker didnt have a Joker feel. My point was that's exactly how the Joker is supposed to act.

[FlickerYourOwnIdentity]

Joker always will have his sarcastic, and detached feeling of humor from the rest of the world.  He doesn't really have a motive.  That is a joker.  Both the cartoon, and the dark knight movie had that.

[Langku]

One of my best friend hates how the bat won't kill. He feels that Batman is responsible for more deaths than any villain because he could have stopped all the killings by offing each of Arkham's baddies instead of interring them. I argue that by refusing to stoop to their level the bat has limited the villains' efforts to cause chaos. Batman has potentially saved far more lives than the deaths he allowed because society is safer and morally superior to a world  with a Batman who will kill to preserve life...

That is, it would be if it were all real...

Which, I realize, it's not.

[Mikefrompluto]

I could see Batman killing the Joker eventually. They're each others greatest enemy. Its gotta end one day.

That's the the thing about Batman. Its an institution. He's had so many different writers that its all canon, even if stories and backgrounds conflict.

[Imdowd80]

This years Wrestlemania will go down as overrated garbage.

[FlickerYourOwnIdentity]

This years Wrestlemania will go down as overrated garbage.

It's always been like that.

[FlickerYourOwnIdentity]

I could see Batman killing the Joker eventually. They're each others greatest enemy. Its gotta end one day.

That's the the thing about Batman. Its an institution. He's had so many different writers that its all canon, even if stories and backgrounds conflict.

*ARKHAM CITY SPOILER ALERT*

He technically did kill the Joker.  Batman had the cure and the Joker was telling him to give it to him, while he is hiding.  He stabs him in an attempt to get the cure which is a liquid in a vial.  Batman drops the vial on accident after being stabbed, and the vial shatters on the ground.  Technically he did kill the Joker.

Now if you have played both Arkham Asylum, and Arkham City, you would have followed that completely.  Now if you have replayed the jokers death scene over and over, you can swear that the joker's "lifeless body" is breathing.  And in Harleys Revenge, it is also hinted that the Joker is still alive, but that isn't set in stone.  Oh well, guess we can find out if and when they make another game.

And also those 2 games were AMAZING!!!

[Imdowd80]

This years Wrestlemania will go down as overrated garbage.

It's always been like that.

Some of them are really good, this year not so much. The main event was boring, they looked like they had no emotion out there.

[Mikefrompluto]

I could see Batman killing the Joker eventually. They're each others greatest enemy. Its gotta end one day.

That's the the thing about Batman. Its an institution. He's had so many different writers that its all canon, even if stories and backgrounds conflict.

*ARKHAM CITY SPOILER ALERT*

He technically did kill the Joker.  Batman had the cure and the Joker was telling him to give it to him, while he is hiding.  He stabs him in an attempt to get the cure which is a liquid in a vial.  Batman drops the vial on accident after being stabbed, and the vial shatters on the ground.  Technically he did kill the Joker.

Now if you have played both Arkham Asylum, and Arkham City, you would have followed that completely.  Now if you have replayed the jokers death scene over and over, you can swear that the joker's "lifeless body" is breathing.  And in Harleys Revenge, it is also hinted that the Joker is still alive, but that isn't set in stone.  Oh well, guess we can find out if and when they make another game.

And also those 2 games were AMAZING!!!

That's a perfect example of what I was talking about. There's so many different storylines in the Gotham world that they all conflict due to having different writers and whatnot, yet they're all canon. In the Arkham games, he technically killed Joker, but in another comic book somewhere, Joker is still alive. Just like in Batman Beyond, Bruce Wayne delegates the role of Batman to a younger person, but in other stories, he's still Batman. Same characters, different stories and worlds. That's what I love about Batman.

[MuggyWuggy]

Re batman: The Dark Knight with Heath Ledger as the Joker is the only good one of the series. I felt that series had the same beats each movie, just slowly more drawn out.

Karma is overrated.

[Birdbrain]

One of my best friend hates how the bat won't kill. He feels that Batman is responsible for more deaths than any villain because he could have stopped all the killings by offing each of Arkham's baddies instead of interring them. I argue that by refusing to stoop to their level the bat has limited the villains' efforts to cause chaos. Batman has potentially saved far more lives than the deaths he allowed because society is safer and morally superior to a world  with a Batman who will kill to preserve life...

That is, it would be if it were all real...

Which, I realize, it's not.

in the batman movie that came out in the 80's (or is it 90's?) batman pushed someone down a hole in the floor. And he wrapped something around someone's leg who was trying to escape on a helicopter rope ladder to make them fall a long way as well. Then there's the old comics of batman were he did kill

[Mikefrompluto]

Well those have been written out of Batman history by other writers. Which leads back to my original argument. Simply he has killed, and he hasn't killed.