New pope

[NyghtHawk]

@Dudecore

Quoting Dawkins is like quoting someone who read the last page of a book to give you a summary. He takes things out of context and does not give you the full story nor the comprehensive information to understand the entire situation he is condemning.

One example is the flood. The bible is clear that the people were warned. It took Noah 100 years to build it all the while telling the people what was coming. In the end the people continued in their wicked ways which is why the flood was brought to begin with.

God condemns evil. If you disregard that like you disregard rules from your parents there are consequences. It is no different. People can try to skew that how they like but doesn't change that fact in Christianity.

We don't need to get into a long debate here but my point is if you want to debate, you can't use arguments that are made without full context.

[Dudecore]

@Dudecore

Quoting Dawkins is like quoting someone who read the last page of a book to give you a summary. He takes things out of context and does not give you the full story nor the comprehensive information to understand the entire situation he is condemning.

What context? I've actually read the bible, it isn't out of context.

One example is the flood. The bible is clear that the people were warned. It took Noah 100 years to build it all the while telling the people what was coming. In the end the people continued in their wicked ways which is why the flood was brought to begin with.

I don't understand the concept of "wicked". That concept has changed and evolved over the years, wha could anyone doing that could possibly warrant the erasure of life? And a man built an ark for 100 years? If you say it is an allegory the Bible has a bone to pick with you. It is the literal word of god, everything in the bible happened. If and when you choose which laws you abide by you are in violation of the bible. You take it all or you take none.

God condemns evil. If you disregard that like you disregard rules from your parents there are consequences. It is no different. People can try to skew that how they like but doesn't change that fact in Christianity.

Again, I don't know what the word "evil" implies, or that god even understands the concept. And disregarding "rules" from your parents, do they know the infinite? They're people who gave birth to you, they're not all knowing or all-powerful. Parents can, and often are, wrong when it comes to matters of an individuals rights to person. Just because some million people would yield cognitive liberty to ancient mystism does not make it ok. We'd be fine today if we did or did not believe in the god of Abraham.

We don't need to get into a long debate here but my point is if you want to debate, you can't use arguments that are made without full context.

I can and will continue to do so, and I will quote the context of those statements at length if it would prove a point. Which it will not.

[Double-O-Scotch]

The bible was written by man and people are not infallible. The bible has a great moral code, and there are lessons to be learned from the stories written within. But to believe the earth is only a couple thousand years old? Clearly innacurate but the people of the time had nothing to base this information on other than they're undeniable faith. It used to make sense.

I could go on with endless errors that can be found within the bibles pages, however that shouldn't take away from the moral lessons being taught through these stories.

If you were to sum up all those lessons into a short concise guide line it would basically say this;

"Be a good person to others and yourself...but to others, more so..." Lol

[Teysa karlov]

Think the next pipe will be Irish, and drunk all The time,

FATHER JACK FOR POPE

[Double-O-Scotch]

Uncle drew for pope...

Peace, young bloods...

Lmfao

[Birdbrain]

Wasn't the earth around before the creation? He created the earth even before he said "let there be light."

[Dudecore]

The bible was written by man and people are not infallible. The bible has a great moral code, and there are lessons to be learned from the stories written within. But to believe the earth is only a couple thousand years old? Clearly innacurate but the people of the time had nothing to base this information on other than they're undeniable faith. It used to make sense.

I could go on with endless errors that can be found within the bibles pages, however that shouldn't take away from the moral lessons being taught through these stories.

If you were to sum up all those lessons into a short concise guide line it would basically say this;

"Be a good person to others and yourself...but to others, more so..." Lol

Again, I don't think we need a book to tell us that cooperation, respect for property and person are adequate ways for us to spend our time together here on earth. That is ingrained within us because humans are a social animal, no social animals kill wantonly and rape indiscriminately because they don't believe in the god of Abraham. Cooperation is necessary for the passing on of our genes, we wouldn't devolve tomorrow when we find out that god isn't real.

The New Testament drives itself on Jesus being a good person and for us all to love one another. While in principle it is always fundimentally a good idea. The Old Testament is loaded with dogmatic, barbaric, draconian laws that concern themselves with the clothes you wear, the foods you eat, the animals you sacrifice, the people you associate yourself with and whom you see naked. Like I said, it was written by superstitious, paranoid, uneducated, males during the Iron Age - when the wheel barrow would have been emerging technology.

I don't have a problem with anyone believing, as I couldn't change that opinion if I had a millennia and all of the philosophical and logical arguments to the contrary. It's just the assumption by believers that the bible somehow is the final authority on wisdom and "the good life". Like we'd be lost without its wonderful lessons. I clearly beg to differ.

[Birdbrain]

Good argument dudecore.

It was also written at a time were people were superstitious and ritualistic. And when human sacrifice was just as accepted as abortion is today. Moses was writing to a people who had been burdened also by the most powerful empire at the time, and that should be taken into account too

[Mikefrompluto]

The bible was written by man and people are not infallible. The bible has a great moral code, and there are lessons to be learned from the stories written within. But to believe the earth is only a couple thousand years old? Clearly innacurate but the people of the time had nothing to base this information on other than they're undeniable faith. It used to make sense.

I could go on with endless errors that can be found within the bibles pages, however that shouldn't take away from the moral lessons being taught through these stories.

If you were to sum up all those lessons into a short concise guide line it would basically say this;

"Be a good person to others and yourself...but to others, more so..." Lol

That is ingrained within us because humans are a social animal,

So what you're saying is humans could be green?

[Dudecore]

The bible was written by man and people are not infallible. The bible has a great moral code, and there are lessons to be learned from the stories written within. But to believe the earth is only a couple thousand years old? Clearly innacurate but the people of the time had nothing to base this information on other than they're undeniable faith. It used to make sense.

I could go on with endless errors that can be found within the bibles pages, however that shouldn't take away from the moral lessons being taught through these stories.

If you were to sum up all those lessons into a short concise guide line it would basically say this;

"Be a good person to others and yourself...but to others, more so..." Lol

That is ingrained within us because humans are a social animal,

So what you're saying is humans could be green?

Well the magic color pie is based around emotional mind states that humans occupy - that is how we're able to relate to the colors. Humans are {W}{U}{B}{R}{G}.

[Mikefrompluto]

I know. I was trying to bring humor to a tricky conversation than can get out of hand pretty quickly.

[Birdbrain]

Just curious what's the philosophy behind the green humans? I think I know already. I just want to check my understanding of it and see if its askew

[Double-O-Scotch]

The bible was written by man and people are not infallible. The bible has a great moral code, and there are lessons to be learned from the stories written within. But to believe the earth is only a couple thousand years old? Clearly innacurate but the people of the time had nothing to base this information on other than they're undeniable faith. It used to make sense.

I could go on with endless errors that can be found within the bibles pages, however that shouldn't take away from the moral lessons being taught through these stories.

If you were to sum up all those lessons into a short concise guide line it would basically say this;

"Be a good person to others and yourself...but to others, more so..." Lol

Again, I don't think we need a book to tell us that cooperation, respect for property and person are adequate ways for us to spend our time together here on earth. That is ingrained within us because humans are a social animal, no social animals kill wantonly and rape indiscriminately because they don't believe in the god of Abraham. Cooperation is necessary for the passing on of our genes, we wouldn't devolve tomorrow when we find out that god isn't real.

The New Testament drives itself on Jesus being a good person and for us all to love one another. While in principle it is always fundimentally a good idea. The Old Testament is loaded with dogmatic, barbaric, draconian laws that concern themselves with the clothes you wear, the foods you eat, the animals you sacrifice, the people you associate yourself with and whom you see naked. Like I said, it was written by superstitious, paranoid, uneducated, males during the Iron Age - when the wheel barrow would have been emerging technology.

And I beg to differ. You give people too much credit. Like one of my favorite sayings goes "why is common sense so uncommon?" You're right that we shouldn't need a book to tell us the difference between good and evil, but alot of people are just plain dumb. I for one am glad there is a book with a moral guideline out there. In a world utterly becoming dark, I think we, as a species, can use all the help we can get. Would I use it to teach science class? No. But I have also read the bible front to back (except for psalms, I got a 1/3 of the way through and felt I'd repeated myself a couple times and assuming the rest was the same, I skipped ahead), and I have to admit, it's great story telling. There's a plot, a moral, and a timeline. Not much for comic relief ( vast oversight!)

The trick is to understand the context with which it was written.

The Old Testament predates the New Testament. (Of course) but that also means it predates the Roman Empire. The world was essentially without rules. The rules that existed for the most part were simply the whims of the conquerors and royalty. Usually both. Your average Joe couldn't read or write, had little to no education save those learned by their trade.

The New Testament has to be examined slightly different. It was started during roman rule. When EVERYONE was either Roman, an enemy of Rome, or a roman slave(or soon to be) the Romans were quite religiously tolerant. But this was a religion of slaves. It was unbecoming to even consider the gospel truth. Now that slowly changed as Christianity began to conquer the empire from within. Shortly thereafter the empire fell (a lesson to be learned I think)

The two chapters (old and new t.) were written during a time so brutal I can neither explain or truly know the sufferings and reality of living it. Nobody can (maybe Doc Brown). To diss it saying its useless is insulting. To live by every word written within is useless. As with all books, it is a tool. Like a gun. It's how that tool is utilized that ultimately determines good and evil action. Which is what the bible is attempting to explain.

I was raised Roman Catholic. It's safe to say that my blasphemous attitude prohibits me from continuing to be so and I'm ok with that. After all, the Vatican condoned the actions of the Nazi's through inaction. They have flip-flopped on the condom issue. They are centered in a city Jesus likely never went to (unproven) they continue the Judaism/Christianity/Islam argument over which millions have been killed and still can't agree over which one is the prophet, which one is the son, and whether he even showed up yet. Like 10 year olds arguing who's dad can beat up who's.
I have alot of faith.
I believe that the universe is too amazing to simply be a random occurrence.
But I take no stock in religion.
Religion is the undoing of faith, seeking only obedience and compliance.

[Mikefrompluto]

The bible was written by man and people are not infallible. The bible has a great moral code, and there are lessons to be learned from the stories written within. But to believe the earth is only a couple thousand years old? Clearly innacurate but the people of the time had nothing to base this information on other than they're undeniable faith. It used to make sense.

I could go on with endless errors that can be found within the bibles pages, however that shouldn't take away from the moral lessons being taught through these stories.

If you were to sum up all those lessons into a short concise guide line it would basically say this;

"Be a good person to others and yourself...but to others, more so..." Lol

Again, I don't think we need a book to tell us that cooperation, respect for property and person are adequate ways for us to spend our time together here on earth. That is ingrained within us because humans are a social animal, no social animals kill wantonly and rape indiscriminately because they don't believe in the god of Abraham. Cooperation is necessary for the passing on of our genes, we wouldn't devolve tomorrow when we find out that god isn't real.

The New Testament drives itself on Jesus being a good person and for us all to love one another. While in principle it is always fundimentally a good idea. The Old Testament is loaded with dogmatic, barbaric, draconian laws that concern themselves with the clothes you wear, the foods you eat, the animals you sacrifice, the people you associate yourself with and whom you see naked. Like I said, it was written by superstitious, paranoid, uneducated, males during the Iron Age - when the wheel barrow would have been emerging technology.

I have alot of faith.
I believe that the universe is too amazing to simply be a random occurrence.
But I take no stock in religion.
Religion is the undoing of faith, seeking only obedience and compliance.

On a more serious note, this is more or less how I feel. It is possible to get into heaven without claiming a religion and following a book. I just try to put as much good into the world as I can without any expectation of a return.

I also have a very anti-authoritarian personality and belief system. Religion doesn't exactly fall into line with that. Im going to not do something because I don't want to bring harm to myself or others, not because someone says "don't do that."

[Birdbrain]

Just curious what's the philosophy behind the green humans? I think I know already. I just want to check my understanding of it and see if its askew

guess no one is going to tell me?