New pope

Started by Revils, March 13, 2013, 06:56:36 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

Moneekahh

Quote from: Piotr on March 13, 2013, 03:50:43 PM
No idea why religions get so much hate these days. I personally believe in religions (as in, they are generally a very good thing to have), not so much in God.

Totally agree!

prayos

Pope Francis I, the nerdy chemistry guy from Argentina.  At least he doesn't look like a Disney villain, like Benedict did.

Quisequise

The commandments and things of that nature are part of our covenant with God to live a life as holy as we possibly can.

InfinitiveDivinity

Dave Mustaine for Pope! ✊😌

Birdbrain

Quote from: Piotr on March 13, 2013, 03:50:43 PM
No idea why religions get so much hate these days. I personally believe in religions (as in, they are generally a very good thing to have), not so much in God.
if this was a response to what I said. I didn't say anything against religion this time. Just what I think Christianity is

Revils

For me just praying and believing is enough.I don't go to church much. It's much better to have something or someone to hold on to in times of need.                                                    There is a story wherein a guy stating that he doesn't believe in Christ or god all those are just cr^p. one time he went on a trip riding a boat and suddenly the boat flipped he fell and shouted, GOD help me pls. God help me!

Milo109

Quote from: Piotr on March 13, 2013, 03:50:43 PM
No idea why religions get so much hate these days. I personally believe in religions (as in, they are generally a very good thing to have), not so much in God.
I utterly disagree. So many horrible things have been committed in the name of religion. In addition religion obscures truth IMHO. Where has religion been beneficial to humanity? If the church had their way, we would never have had any scientific advances..

NyghtHawk

Quote from: Milo109 on March 13, 2013, 10:06:15 PM
Quote from: Piotr on March 13, 2013, 03:50:43 PM
No idea why religions get so much hate these days. I personally believe in religions (as in, they are generally a very good thing to have), not so much in God.
I utterly disagree. So many horrible things have been committed in the name of religion. In addition religion obscures truth IMHO. Where has religion been beneficial to humanity? If the church had their way, we would never have had any scientific advances..
Terrible things have been done in the name of many things. That has nothing to do with the religion itself, for instance. Do most Christians agree with things like the Crusades and what has been done in the name of Christianity? No. Lets me serious here. Humans are human. Just because people use something to further their OWN cause does not mean that whatever they are using to justify their cause was meant to be used that way.

Its like people saying that video games caused them to go kill people in real life. They can use that excuse, but is that the actual purpose of video games? Absolutely not. Just because you use something as an excuse doesnt make it valid.

Piotr

Quote from: NyghtHawk on March 13, 2013, 10:15:25 PM
Quote from: Milo109 on March 13, 2013, 10:06:15 PM
Quote from: Piotr on March 13, 2013, 03:50:43 PM
No idea why religions get so much hate these days. I personally believe in religions (as in, they are generally a very good thing to have), not so much in God.
I utterly disagree. So many horrible things have been committed in the name of religion. In addition religion obscures truth IMHO. Where has religion been beneficial to humanity? If the church had their way, we would never have had any scientific advances..
Terrible things have been done in the name of many things. That has nothing to do with the religion itself, for instance. Do most Christians agree with things like the Crusades and what has been done in the name of Christianity? No. Lets me serious here. Humans are human. Just because people use something to further their OWN cause does not mean that whatever they are using to justify their cause was meant to be used that way.

Its like people saying that video games caused them to go kill people in real life. They can use that excuse, but is that the actual purpose of video games? Absolutely not. Just because you use something as an excuse doesnt make it valid.

Well said.

Religion is just a tool, like knife or aircraft carrier. Probably all tools can be used to do evil things. Religion is a nice tool to have, if only for the fact that it provides moral code enforced by ultimate power. It helped humanity to solve 'prisoner's dilemma', without religion it would be near to impossible to run societies when CSI technology wasn't invented yet.

Also, 'If the church had their way, we would never have had any scientific advances.' is a very obvious lie, so please be careful.

Revils

Quote from: Milo109 on March 13, 2013, 10:06:15 PM
Quote from: Piotr on March 13, 2013, 03:50:43 PM
No idea why religions get so much hate these days. I personally believe in religions (as in, they are generally a very good thing to have), not so much in God.
I utterly disagree. So many horrible things have been committed in the name of religion. In addition religion obscures truth IMHO. Where has religion been beneficial to humanity? If the church had their way, we would never have had any scientific advances..
if there is no religion and people doesnt believe in a supreme being, there will be chaos. People will no longer have fear to do evil stuff like killing, rape, stealing etc..

Keyeto

Quote from: Revils on March 14, 2013, 10:29:55 AM
if there is no religion and people doesnt believe in a supreme being, there will be chaos. People will no longer have fear to do evil stuff like killing, rape, stealing etc..
I generally like to stay out of religious topics, but I have to say I disagree with this a bit. I get where you're coming from, but these aren't characteristics of someone who does/doesn't believe in religion. These are characteristics of the person. In your case, this would mean that all Atheists are rapists and murderers, just because they have no fear of judgment. This is not true, people don't rape or kill because they think its bad. I'm sure plenty of people who have killed others have been religious, in spite of being judged by their god. If a person wants to kill, they will kill, regardless of their beliefs.

Double-O-Scotch

There is a fine line between religion and faith. Someone can be very faithful without adhering to religious dogma. "Move a piece of wood and I am there, lift a stone and you will find me..."

Jarrk

Jon Finkel for pope and i would agree to his dicision of changing the name of the religion to Magicism. Amen...

Dudecore

Quote from: Revils on March 14, 2013, 10:29:55 AM
if there is no religion and people doesnt believe in a supreme being, there will be chaos. People will no longer have fear to do evil stuff like killing, rape, stealing etc..
The bible advocates some pretty horrible things. To suggest that it is a moral standard and the reason that we don't kill each other is preposterous. "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." - Dawkins

Fear is not the reason people don't do things. Most people well faced with a "deterrent" figure they will not get caught and sentenced.

I also find this a kind of dangerous thought too, since you have demonstrated a low regard for your fellow species. As if a book written during the iron age by superstitious, unknown men could somehow have anything to say about how humans should govern their lives. It is illogical - no such document can exist. It is not consistent with human experience.

We don't need a book to tell us killing is wrong.

Birdbrain

I always thought God told the Israelites to wipe out the Canaanites not because of race, but heart. After all, some Hittite women married into Juda. And a few are even the ancestors of king David and king Solomon. And God loved them

Oh. And that means there are Canaanites in Jesus's earthly heritage