Dimir Mill

[Wackaman9001]

MOAR LANDS!!!! Also, have you considered {havengul lich}?

Midnight recovery seems like the same thing, except 1 less mana and can only be used when it hits an opponent, ok, I guess I could see where he would be useful, but he just seems like he cost to much

Lich let's you get their creatures if colors match, and you avoid the"middle man"

[Olaf Iverstone]

Middle man? What do you mean by that?

[Olaf Iverstone]

Any other ideas?

[Olaf Iverstone]

I bumped the land up to 23 lands, am thinking about replacing lazav with the {havengul lich}

[Bloodguilt]

I bumped the land up to 23 lands, am thinking about replacing lazav with the {havengul lich}

I would, lazav doesn't seem like a great mainboard to me. Maybe sideboard?

[Olaf Iverstone]

I could see him as a sideboard card. What is the gatecrash card that is an enchantment that weakens token cards.

[Drgnwr1]

I could see him as a sideboard card. What is the gatecrash card that is an enchantment that weakens token cards.

{Illness in the Ranks}

[Spidey82]

Lazav is better than Lich, IMO, since you're not required to use extra mana for his ability. Plus, his ability should stack if you mill multiple creatures. Not to mention hexproof.

[Olaf Iverstone]

I think lazav can only be a copy of 1 creature, so how could it stack?

[Spidey82]

If you mill multiple creatures at once

[Olaf Iverstone]

I always thought that it could just be 1 creature at a time

[Bloodguilt]

I don't know enough about Lavaz ability. I understand when a creature goes to the graveyard he may becomes a copy of it. I don't believe he can be a copy of multiple cards at once but I can see him screwing with reanimator. Mill creatures that say "whenever this creature enters the battlefield do x" that would be fun but I don't think it'll win games.

[Spidey82]

Initially, I thought you could do some crazy shenanigans with ETB/LTB effects by milling multiple creatures at once & manipulating the stack with his ability. But, alas, it doesn't work like that cuz he's already on the field. He would still get LTB effects if he somehow dies though.

[Olaf Iverstone]

went 1-3 today, just got my invisible stalkers, but i still need a few cards.

[Mothaelon]

You need stall and wraths and whatnot.

I read It somewhere and I loved he quote" milling is a good wincon, but not a good strategy"

All you want is a few mill, say drownyards, jace, maybe though scour, sands. But then you want straight control; counters, wrath, stalling, etc.

Cause you leave yourself open big time by having nothing but mill cards when your opponent has the game in his first few turns because you couldn't answer anything except via milling.