Angels could be green

[Langku]

And for those that didn't catch it. I basically said organized religion is bad in my first argument

Bird, your discussion has obviously sparked a great deal of thought and interest. Good on! I appreciate your willingness to find common ground and consider other opinions. Consider this. I am Seventh Day Adventist, a very structured, classically academic, and natural lifestyle encouraging religion (white/splash green😄). My church has hundreds of schools k through university level world wide, a far reaching humanitarian organization, local charities, and the traditional myriad of church related functions. I recognize the tendency of religiously minded, particularly the right wing and evangelical groups, to guard their views zealously often to the exclusion of the feelings and views of others. But I also recognize this same conservativism is the strength that holds the structure of a church that in turn offers so much in education, spirituality, and humanitarian efforts.

The organized religious can seem abrasive and short sighted but this "order" is what fuels the great works (both good and bad) that a church accomplishes. I think mtg sums up my religion quite nicely with the color white. It may be a controlling and and defensive color, but it accomplishes great things😊. Again, bird, thanks for a thought provoking thread!

[Birdbrain]

Sorry kanga. It's just in the link I posted, it said green was a color of interconectivity, or interdependence. Plus you have green humans from innistrad supporting others. And you have cards that boost a whole myrad of creatures. You have mana dorks that help bring big guns in early. I could go on and on. The fact is, green relies on others. Even if I completely agreed and said angels are white, you can't ignore the interdependence of green.

In fact, it also said community. Here's the link again

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/daily/mr43

And langku. What about the crusades? And the fact that some try to force Christianity down other people's throats? And if its so organized, why is it so divided? People have obviously put there own opinions into the matter, and so who's to say that what this church leader or that church leader says is true Christianity?

[Quackmaster5]

Sorry kanga. It's just in the link I posted, it said green was a color of interconectivity, or interdependence. Plus you have green humans from innistrad supporting others. And you have cards that boost a whole myrad of creatures. You have mana dorks that help bring big guns in early. I could go on and on. The fact is, green relies on others. Even if I completely agreed and said angels are white, you can't ignore the interdependence of green.

In fact, it also said community. Here's the link again

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/daily/mr43

And langku. What about the crusades? And the fact that some try to force Christianity down other people's throats? And if its so organized, why is it so divided? People have obviously put there own opinions into the matter, and so who's to say that what this church leader or that church leader says is true Christianity?

Bird, I believe that the Innistrad humans that are green help each other bc that's what the human creature type does, not the color. And most of the group helping you are talking about are not a mono green quality, it's more of a selesyna quality. Innistrad humans were designed to interact well with white humans.

[Birdbrain]

Well why did MaRo define green as "community" and "interdependence" among other qualities. Check the link

Also, there are numerous other examples I could dig up which I don't have the time to now, but will bit by bit later. Other than mana dorks that

Also. There are cards that boost groups of creatures for the community aspect. A quality also found in white

[Rackhamm]

The point is that while green and white both may value community, green is also the color of the wild, the natural, evolution and competition. White is the color of Order, justice, and equality.

It is very clear which of those two fits Angels (as a fantasy trope mind you) the best. Note that while order justice and equality are traditionally viewed as such, they really don't belon on the scale of "good vs evil"

[Coffee Vampire]

Angels are not natural beings. No matter what you think of them, we can all at least agree on that. So them being green would not make sense since green is the natural color. The primal color.

[Birdbrain]

Angels are not natural beings. No matter what you think of them, we can all at least agree on that. So them being green would not make sense since green is the natural color. The primal color.

guess your right coffee vampire. They are spiritual, but not natural. So it's like saying one half of the equation is true, the other half is false. So the equation must be true, because one side was true. No, if one side is false, both are false...although. You could argue spirits are not natural as well. Yet they are in green. How do you explain spirits in green in both the kamigawa and innistrad blocks?

The point is that while green and white both may value community, green is also the color of the wild, the natural, evolution and competition. White is the color of Order, justice, and equality.

It is very clear which of those two fits Angels (as a fantasy trope mind you) the best. Note that while order justice and equality are traditionally viewed as such, they really don't belon on the scale of "good vs evil"

which is what I said earlier. White is not nessicarily good, black is not nessicarily evil. They just are. I suppose angels are white. But that's not to say you can't put an angel in green. Maybe it is an angel whose purpose is to protect the natural order. And it relies on many of the concepts that you said. I suppose you would half to fit its philosophies into green. That's the thing about the creative process. I can make an angel in green if I wanted to as long as it fit greens philosophies and behaved the way green creatures do. And besides, green is a spiritual color after all

[Keyeto]

Angels aren't spirits though. The {Serra Angel} is a being of almost pure white mana, created from the soul of a brave warrior when they died. They aren't spirits that take physical form, they are beings of mana that can take physical form. It's hard to argue what color they should be when they're made of almost pure white mana. This is a pretty awesome topic though, I also thank you for a very thought provoking topic. When it comes down to it though, green (color-wise) is a primal color that doesn't really concern itself with justice or morality. Green cares about preserving itself simply because that's what green does. It doesn't do things for the better of others (unless with another color), it doesn't care much about honor or justice; it cares about the natural, primal ways that are contained within. Of course, there are exceptions to every rules (black angels, etc) but in essence that's what it comes down to. Angels are (usually) made of white mana, and this are white.

[Birdbrain]

Ok. That makes sense

[Langku]

And langku. What about the crusades? And the fact that some try to force Christianity down other people's throats? And if its so organized, why is it so divided? People have obviously put there own opinions into the matter, and so who's to say that what this church leader or that church leader says is true Christianity?

Valid points, Bird. I figure Christianity is like the mtg community. If someone were to define us by the murder last year over a collection of cards or the by the obligatory guys who cheat and act like jerks at the prerelease you really miss the value of a friendly and intelligent group of gamers. If someone assumes all players are Spikes, Johnnys, or Timmys then they miss the variety our group really holds. Same way with Christians. They do great things and bad things and are all fundamentally different. The crusades not withstanding, Christians are pretty decent people with strong passions. Like a tcgamer.

And most Christians would agree angels are white allied, not green😉.

[Birdbrain]

Could goblins be green?

[Malleo]

Could goblins be green?

I think that they really embody red, they are completely chaotic. The only ones who aren't are mixed with white. {Legion Loyalist}

[Birdbrain]

{jund hackblade}

Also. If green is chaotic. Goblins belong in green

[Birdbrain]

Actually. I checked and there are more goblins in green then that one. What's the philosophy in that?

[Aladormax]

Goblins can splash into any color, but are primarily red.