Oblivion Ring, Bounce, The Stack

[MisterJH]

Thats what i thought originally but now im just confused. Ask the damn creators PLEASE.

[Jroch314]

Plain and simple, the stack is not the battlefield. By that logic a countered {Thragtusk} would still gain life and produce a token. And that's just ridiculous.

[scarsabrex]

Think about it this way oblivion ring enter the battlefield and shoots it's exile ray towards a target. Before the target is exiled the ring is destroyed releasing a return wave. Since there is nothing exiled yet the return wave does virtually nothing. The exile ray continues to exile the target forever.

[Birdbrain]

{thragtusk} countered does not do its effects when countered because it never entered the battlefield and this never left because it was never there to begin with...else I should have won some of those games...

[MisterJH]

But the exile ray HAS TO RESOLVE before the return to battlefieldray can be releaed which causes confusion.. I give up -.-

[scarsabrex]

But the exile ray HAS TO RESOLVE before the return to battlefieldray can be releaed which causes confusion.. I give up -.-

No that's the point it does not have to resolve before the ring is destroyed. If I'm the flash and I shoot you with a gun and dismantle the gun at light speed the bullet will still hit you regardless of the state of the gun.

[Vyse]

Oblivion ring is cast, it enters the battlefield. Due to its wording it's trigger activated not when it's cast, but when it enters. So that being said you have a permenant (o-ring) on the field, and it's effect on the stack. Before that effect resolves, both you or an opponent can respond to it, thus you gain the option to cast a bounce spell. When you do, o rings second ability hits the stack, covering the first. The "return exiled perment" fizzles, due to there being no exiled permenant, and then o rings first effect takes place, exiling whatever you target forever. You just need to understand the stack better to get this wonky combo, but it is legit, just a little difficult to understand.

[MisterJH]

This just seems stupid and a loophole rather than a realistic use of the stack. Even if it does work, which it seems to, it should still be fixed.

[Coffee Vampire]

It is a perfectly valid use of the stack. Knowledge is power

[MisterJH]

THATS A WASTE OF ELECTRICITY! NOOOOO

But i understand it works, i just dont like it. I disagree with its working.

[Birdbrain]

I always thought the stack wasn't in play...do I can {unsummon} a creature as its being played?

[MisterJH]

No.. Ill use the pancake theory for this.
1. You play oblivion ring. This is a trigger in and of itself. Its an oblivion pancake. So the player who casts oblivion ring(pancake) whom i will refer to as player 1 for convenience, simply allows oblivion ring to resolve. Aka he eats his oblivion pancake.

2. Oblivion ring enters the battlefield, so the initial trigger of him PLAYING the spell has resolved. The resolving of the actual card places a separate trigger, the ETB trigger than allows oblivion ring to exile a permanent. So the playing of oblivion ring puts the exile pancake on the stack. To review, player 1 played oblivion pancake, ate it, then exile pancake is now on the stack, and NOTHING ELSE.

3. With ONLY exile pancake on the stack, not the actual oblivion pancake, player 1 casts a bounce spell. So now theres a bounce pancake smothering the exile pancake you see? There is no card on the stack, simply two abilities, both from player 1. Since the exile pancake is on the bottom, player 1 eats the bounce pancake, however the exile pancake is unaffected by the pancake on top of it. But wait!

4. The bounce pancake triggered the exit the battlefield effect of the oblivion ring! Since it exits the battlefield and causes another trigger(the return pancake perhaps) there is now a return pancake atop the stack. The return pancake now resolves. But whats this? Theres no card to return, as the exile pancake is still on the very bottom, waiting to be eaten. So player 1 eats the return pancake for no purpose other than that he must eat it in order to...

5. EXILE PANCAKE! The exile effect, which has been on the bottom of the stack since the resolving of the original oblivion pancake, now goes off. Player 1 picks a target, eats the pancake, and thats that. Since oblivion ring has already left the field, there is no possibly way to return the exiled card as oblivion ring cannot leave play when it is not in play to begin with

Result: permanent exile.

[Birdbrain]

I didn't say that

I said can you bounce a CREATURE on the stack?

[MisterJH]

Ya i was just explaining that you cant bounce anything on the stack, and i thought you were referring to boucig o-ring on the stack

[Silent1236]

I suddenly have the urge to take o ring out of every deck I've ever made.  I'm so confused lol 