Steak Out

[Kaleo42]

How do you plan on having blue mana? All your mana production is red.

[Kamikazekiel]

Am I crazy or does Massive Raid have a place in this deck somewhere?

[Kaleo42]

Ive been thinking about that. I like it because i can use it early to handle a peaky creature and late for the kill. I dont like that you need more dudes for lethal though. {prophetic prism} is actually the most exciting addition. It cantrips and fixxes mana, it's the perfect addition.

[Desolatus]

{Massive Raid}

[Kaleo42]

So youre telling me if I {reverberate} a spell I have to tap lands to produce enough mana to cast that spell? So a player casts {divination} by paying {2}{U} (it's complete cost) and now I pay {R}{R} and {2}{U} in order to copy it with a reverb. Or how about {fling}? I have to pay {R}{R}+{1}{R} and sac a dude (which is part of the COST to cast fling).

Point being reverb copys a spell, it doesnt give you the ability to recast that spell by paying it's cost. {burn at the stake}'s complete cost is {2}{R}{R}{R} AND tap X dudes. The tap part is not part of the effect portion of the card.

[Coffee Vampire]

Reverberate creates a copy of a spell, you don't have to cast anything again. It is an exact copy. Just like you can reverberate an {Epic Experiment} and not have to pay X again, you don't have to pay the cost of tapping creatures. Rule:
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706.10. To copy a spell or activated ability means to put a copy of it onto the stack; a copy of a spell isn't cast and a copy of an activated ability isn't activated. A copy of a spell or ability copies both the characteristics of the spell or ability and all decisions made for it, including modes, targets, the value of X, and additional or alternative costs. (See rule 601, "Casting Spells.") Choices that are normally made on resolution are not copied. If an effect of the copy refers to objects used to pay its costs, it uses the objects used to pay the costs of the original spell or ability. A copy of a spell is owned by the player under whose control it was put on the stack. A copy of a spell or ability is controlled by the player under whose control it was put on the stack. A copy of a spell is itself a spell, even though it has no spell card associated with it. A copy of an ability is itself an ability.

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Example: Fling is an instant that reads, "As an additional cost to cast Fling, sacrifice a creature" and "Fling deals damage equal to the sacrificed creature's power to target creature or player." When determining how much damage a copy of Fling deals, it checks the power of the creature sacrificed to pay for the original Fling.

Edit: this is my thread, you can't beat me to a rules question in my own thread 😝
-Kaleo42, Young Wizard

Ah, but you know what my old rules mentor used to say say... "Not answered a question truly is, until appears there a ruling." *sigh*, I miss that old dude. Why did he get attacked by 6000 {Cheatyface}s when he turned his back? I will never forgive mr. Cheatyface...

- Coffee, Coffee Wizard

[Kaleo42]

Hrm, ok, I was under the distinct impression that if you  {Reverberate} a  {Goblin Grenade}, or as you mentioned  {Fling} that a second creature would need to be sacrificed.

The rules you copied do seem to contradict me pretty clearly however.

Sorry if that seemed harsh at all, I know that is an immportant rules concept to understand and couldn't resist the urge to make it stick with thurough examples.

[Juggleboy360]

I love this deck. Definitely look forward to seeing it with the additions gatecrash provides.

[Kamikazekiel]

This deck has been one of my favorites to play in the current format (thanks for posting it Kaleo), so with gatecrash coming out very soon I decided to have one more fnm using this deck in its recent list. In my first game I get rewarded with a turn four, 684 damage straight to my opponents face. The look on his face was hilarious!

[Kaleo42]

Gatecrash Update
Sideboard tech {boros reckoner} + {blasphemous} act was amzing enough to consider main board.

Went 3-2 at fnm. One loss was against someone's stupid god draw that was exactly the same both games and killed me within 4 turns when I had the combo te next turn. Beat him in a freebie though. The second I got mana spell screwed and then fizzeled the combo by not drawing burn or draw spells.

[Coheed015]

Gatecrash Update
Sideboard tech {boros reckoner} + {blasphemous} act was amzing enough to consider main board.

Went 3-2 at fnm. One loss was against someone's stupid god draw that was exactly the same both games and killed me within 4 turns when I had the combo te next turn. Beat him in a freebie though. The second I got mana spell screwed and then fizzeled the combo by not drawing burn or draw spells.

This deck runs amazing . Did you consider that one card the duck avatar considered for backup counter cards on reverberate ? Same cost but gives it a fb cost of 5. From DA... Oh how I forgot the name already -.-

[Kaleo42]

{Increasing vengance} cant copy enemy spells that might be helpful. I have {reverate}d a miracled {entreat the angels} and turned what wouldve been a loss into a massive {burn at the stake}.

[Kooltoolz]

These decks are why blind obedience is in my sideboard with severs and mutilates

[Kaleo42]

These decks are why blind obedience is in my sideboard with severs and mutilates

And that is why I replaced {burn at the stake} with {massive raid}.

[Kooltoolz]

True massive raid is pretty good in this version of combo may have to consider illness in the ranks too. I have alot of early removal for electromancer but that's not gonna be enough