Sorin Overrated?

[Appleguru56]

I don't understand why sorin is so overrated. He is at about 65 dollars right now, and his color scheme fits with nothing from the current metagame, and it is not that difficult to kill

[Prophylaxis]

I don't understand why sorin is so overrated. He is at about 65 dollars right now, and his color scheme fits with nothing from the current metagame, and it is not that difficult to kill

People are worried about "the next Jace", that's why. I mean, he's in the second set, all the other cards seem bad, and there's a third large set. Sound familiar?

[Appleguru56]

I don't understand why sorin is so overrated. He is at about 65 dollars right now, and his color scheme fits with nothing from the current metagame, and it is not that difficult to kill

People are worried about "the next Jace", that's why. I mean, he's in the second set, all the other cards seem bad, and there's a third large set. Sound familiar?

1. It does not have 4 abilities
2. It does not have a banned ablility
3. It can't remove threats
4. It does not give you card advantage
5. It does not go in the control decks
6. Its color scheme sucks
7. It only has 3 loyalty
8. It does not go in to any of the colors which his ability fulfills
9. We don't have another stoneforge mystic in this set
10. It is nothing compared to jace, the mindsculptor

Seriously. The set in which it is in has no effect on the quality of the card itself. Just because jace was in worldwake, doent mean it should be $65. Sorin, on the otherhand, accomplishes nothing compared to Jace. Every color has a way to deal with planeswalkers, so most times you pay 2BW to put a 1/1 lifelinker or to give all creatures +1/0. It is not comparable with jace, the mind sculptor at all.

[Karrthus]

Meta?

What kind of decks are your opponents playing?

Around here most people play net decks. You still see alot of solar flare, kessig ramp, township tokens, and RDW.

[Prophylaxis]

I don't understand why sorin is so overrated. He is at about 65 dollars right now, and his color scheme fits with nothing from the current metagame, and it is not that difficult to kill

People are worried about "the next Jace", that's why. I mean, he's in the second set, all the other cards seem bad, and there's a third large set. Sound familiar?

1. It does not have 4 abilities
2. It does not have a banned ablility
3. It can't remove threats
4. It does not give you card advantage
5. It does not go in the control decks
6. Its color scheme sucks
7. It only has 3 loyalty
8. It does not go in to any of the colors which his ability fulfills
9. We don't have another stoneforge mystic in this set
10. It is nothing compared to jace, the mindsculptor

Seriously. The set in which it is in has no effect on the quality of the card itself. Just because jace was in worldwake, doent mean it should be $65. Sorin, on the otherhand, accomplishes nothing compared to Jace. Every color has a way to deal with planeswalkers, so most times you pay 2BW to put a 1/1 lifelinker or to give all creatures +1/0. It is not comparable with jace, the mind sculptor at all.

Should I just say "B/W tokens is the real deal"?

[Spikepit]

I don't understand why sorin is so overrated. He is at about 65 dollars right now, and his color scheme fits with nothing from the current metagame, and it is not that difficult to kill

People are worried about "the next Jace", that's why. I mean, he's in the second set, all the other cards seem bad, and there's a third large set. Sound familiar?

1. It does not have 4 abilities
2. It does not have a banned ablility
3. It can't remove threats
4. It does not give you card advantage
5. It does not go in the control decks
6. Its color scheme sucks
7. It only has 3 loyalty
8. It does not go in to any of the colors which his ability fulfills
9. We don't have another stoneforge mystic in this set
10. It is nothing compared to jace, the mindsculptor

Seriously. The set in which it is in has no effect on the quality of the card itself. Just because jace was in worldwake, doent mean it should be $65. Sorin, on the otherhand, accomplishes nothing compared to Jace. Every color has a way to deal with planeswalkers, so most times you pay 2BW to put a 1/1 lifelinker or to give all creatures +1/0. It is not comparable with jace, the mind sculptor at all.

Should I just say "B/W tokens is the real deal"?

ðŸ' Yes, I think that about does it. Sorin may not be as game changing as Jace, but that doesn't mean he isn't as awesome. Personally, i think he's better coz he's not baaaaaroken!!! Winning with {Sorrin, Lord of Innistrad} wont feel as much of a hollow victory as winning with {Jace, the Mind Sculptor}.

Besides, those of us who play token gen and/or Esper colours are frothing for him!

[Prophylaxis]

Also, planeswalkers are always overhyped.

[Appleguru56]

Esper tokens lack the one thing that all aggressive decks need: a stable mana base. Control decks and solarflare can pull it off because of their vast card selection and card advantage. When BWU tokens are played, you will be very likely color screwed.

[Appleguru56]

Yes I agree that sorin has potential to be good, but it is in all the wrong playable card-base to run him smootly.

He does not compare at all with jace TMS and Liliana of the veil. He should not be above 20 by any means

[Prophylaxis]

Yes I agree that sorin has potential to be good, but it is in all the wrong playable card-base to run him smootly.

He does not compare at all with jace TMS and Liliana of the veil. He should not be above 20 by any means

Just wait a few more months. If he finds a home then he'll stick to that price.

[Karrthus]

I think he is every bit equal to {Liliana of the Veil}. the new sorin has lots of potential. He's not as diverse as liliana, but he will be a great asset to token deck, or W/B deck for that matter. What needs to be looked at are the first 2 abilities, because most games with a planeswalker out aren't won by their big ability. Their won by the first 2 abilities.

[cltrn81]

I think he is every bit equal to {Liliana of the Veil}. the new sorin has lots of potential. He's not as diverse as liliana, but he will be a great asset to token deck, or W/B deck for that matter. What needs to be looked at are the first 2 abilities, because most games with a planeswalker out aren't won by their big ability. Their won by the first 2 abilities.

Agreed.  I have a deck with {Ajani, goldmane} and I don't even remember his big ability cuz I only use him for his second ability until he is all used up.

[Appleguru56]

The problem about sorin's first and second abilities are not as good as people believe. Sorin's token spam first ability is not even as good as garruk, and you can't even use his second twice until you use the +1 first. The abilities are no better than the other planeswalkers we have. Liliana makes ppl discard and is a removal, Garruk tokenspams and is a removal, elspeth gains life and spams more tokens, Gideon is walking death on a stick and is a removal.
All these planeswalkers do a better job than sorin

[BlackJester]

The problem about sorin's first and second abilities are not as good as people believe. Sorin's token spam first ability is not even as good as garruk, and you can't even use his second twice until you use the +1 first. The abilities are no better than the other planeswalkers we have. Liliana makes ppl discard and is a removal, Garruk tokenspams and is a removal, elspeth gains life and spams more tokens, Gideon is walking death on a stick and is a removal.
All these planeswalkers do a better job than sorin

First, which Garruk, {Garruk Wildspeaker} or the other one? The first Garruk makes vanilla 2/2s with no relevant type at a loss, not a gain. Sorin "tokenspams" for profit. They are a relevant creature type and they can gain you life.
I think you underestimate the value of an emblem, especially one that isn't an Ultimate. 2WB: for the rest of the game +1/+0 is respectable, particularly in an upcoming WB weenie/sac archetype I sense coming (Yes Spikepit, I'm calling it).
Sorin can win games singlehandedly. Not something all PWs can do. Plus he's has removal too! 
Playability in Standard is not the only thing that defines a card's value. Sorin is oozing flavor, the second enemy-colored PW ever in a pair that hasnt had much love lately. Is he worth $50, I don't think so, but I will trade you Sorin for Garruk any day. ðŸ'°

[BlackJester]

This needs to be split. We've gotten WAY off topic.