Douche move Wizards...

ChrisRodriguez · October 05, 2012, 11:10:56 AM

Quote from: Phat Max on October 05, 2012, 10:47:56 AM

OT: I think too much GY-hate has been printed... Seriously getting ridiculous.

I think RIP is more for the older formats then standard. It gives white decks GY they wouldn't have access to normally. Running 4 {leyline of the void} in the SB just so you draw on your opening hand after SB'ing takes spots that can be used for something else. Now white based decks have options.

Fenster · October 05, 2012, 11:39:51 AM

Well i dont doubt choosing am apropriate sideboard is crucial to tournament play.
But my opinion is that you should build your deck as strong as possible no matter what you're facing. If im playing green beast ramp id just naturally put in maybe some naturalize (or similar), some creatures with reach, some early creatuers maybe not an autumn veil unless i know my meta is blue heavy.
Then just hope that whatever i have is stronger than whatever my opponent has.
No matter what it is.

Quackmaster5 · October 05, 2012, 12:46:33 PM

EXACTLY!!!!! Every. Single. Green. Deck. I. Have. Has. At. Least. One. Naturalize.

Yes. It is crazy to think out of a 60 card deck, hoping to draw that one card is the practical, but that adds excitement. Suspense. Intensity. I guess it's just me. When I'm in a bind, I get more thrill out of pulling something amazing out of my ass rather than saying to myself "oh he used that combo last game, let me add this card next game to make it less exciting."

Double-O-Scotch · October 05, 2012, 01:16:39 PM

I just hate how people can SB specifically against you. ie, you would never maindeck {deathmark} or {celestial purge} what if you're opponent isn't playing those colours? But in your sideboard, those cards are priceless. I think sideboarding was invented by a sore loser who walked away, in a tantrum, from a game they conceded, thinking "if only this", and "if I had something to do about that" . Kinda takes the random chance (aka fun) out of the game when your opponent can just sideboard cards that completely OP.
ie. my opponent is playing artifact deck, solution: sideboard in {shatterstorm}
ie. my opponents is playing mono blue, solution: sideboard in {tsunami}
ie. my opponent is playing black zombies, solution: sideboard in {grafdigger's Cage}
And so on and so forth...
I can understand why people want it in the first place, to improve their chances, but it helps you as much as it hinders you and as such, I refuse to sideboard entirely.
WHO'S WITH ME? (awkward silence)

Oh well...I tried...lol

Fenster · October 05, 2012, 01:52:29 PM

Id like it more if (In a no sideboard world): "My meta features alot of grave decks, id better put a grafdigger cage ib my deck just in case."
Later that night: "Huh! Turns out there werent as many as i thought! Next time ill go without."

Coffee Vampire · October 05, 2012, 01:59:40 PM

Sideboarding adds skill to magic. Without sideboards, one kind of deck would always be better than others. Like rock paper scisors...why would people bother playing a round if they have a rock and their opponent has paper, so to speak?

Sideboarding fixes this. Now people can rebuild their deck on game 2, adapting to their situation. That is why sideboarding was invented...not because some guy lost a game against frites.

Fenster · October 05, 2012, 02:08:50 PM

I guess its a win lose situation either way.
What we all would like seems to be that decks would be more diverse and not dominant. Maybe the guilds will fix that now with rtr? "I have a dream!"

Phat Max · October 05, 2012, 02:24:49 PM

Magic would have a lot less diversity in decks if sideboards didn't exist. It's be like the Cawblade era all over again. The only two decks that could really compete was that deck and Valakut at the time.

I don't care for SB'ing in casual games... But if you wanna say SB'ing is stupid in competitive environments... Well, it's just simply necessary in order to foster creativity.

Fenster · October 05, 2012, 02:27:02 PM

With proper banning standard could be kept undet control.

Double-O-Scotch · October 05, 2012, 02:33:34 PM

Touché.

Phat Max · October 05, 2012, 02:34:15 PM

Banning is literally a last resort option. You would rather kill cards than have a sideboard?

Fenster · October 05, 2012, 02:40:08 PM

Well cawblade was based on {Stoneforge mystic} right? And Valakut on, well, valakut! So ban thos and boom people are forced to play something else.
And had they simply banned delver what would we have? Probably still some delverish deck but not far as many as there used to be. People say snapcaster should also have been banned but i dont really see why. He doesnt at all seem as broken as a potential 3/2 flyer for 1 mana by turn 2.

Phat Max · October 05, 2012, 05:12:40 PM

Can't say what sort of strategies would come out of a sideboardless environment.

I doubt it'd be good though, so ultimately it's just opinions on what we think would happen.

whitedrake · October 05, 2012, 05:23:56 PM

People you are unbelievable...

1, sideboarding is in sactioned tournaments since very beggining... And simply all of us must live with that fact... If you do not want to sideboard... That's ur choice. In the rules is that participant may have 15 cards as sideboard...
2, there never was and I guess never will be BAN list for Type II tournaments.
3, as I wrote on the beggining of this threat.. Do not cry for the cards that WotC released and do not speculate for what purpose or why they released it, simply accept it and adapt to the situation.

BTW: with fifteen cards in sideboard you will never be able to sideboard against every single one strategy... Of course if 80 % of players play the same deck...

smokin terry · October 05, 2012, 07:11:08 PM

Quote from: Fenster on October 05, 2012, 02:40:08 PM
Well cawblade was based on {Stoneforge mystic} right? And Valakut on, well, valakut! So ban thos and boom people are forced to play something else.
And had they simply banned delver what would we have? Probably still some delverish deck but not far as many as there used to be. People say snapcaster should also have been banned but i dont really see why. He doesnt at all seem as broken as a potential 3/2 flyer for 1 mana by turn 2.

Stone forge was a $5 max card until they started printing the swords. Valakut was one of the cheapest decks to build until titans entered, even once it was a teir 1 deck I never saw any one trade valakut for more then a dollar at most (I saw more burned/eaten then trade btw.) Banning in standard is stupid in my opinion. Then best reason I heard for mindsculpors was wotc did not want 3 jaces in type 2 at one time. I still believe if they wanted to ban some thing to cause more diverse playing then drop the stupid f'n blades. Jace was ran in every blue deck but the blades where in every deck. And side boarding is part of the game. I haven't seen any one do it in a casual game unless they know they have a dead card. And it is a big part of competitive play to. But if you want to make a deck and fit answers to 10 other decks in just the main board go for it.

End rant.