Vengeful Archon Fog

[KulrathKnight]

You still do both, you just choose the order.

[Poof]

Ok so after reading the entire ruling it says choose one to apply then recheck to see if the other still applies which for fog I guess it would.  It still bugs me though that with fog in effect it's like you're turning it off to allow the other ability to prevent damage.

[Wally]

Doesn't damage need to happen to be prevented? I mean asigning damage shouldn't be enough, it actually has to be dealt to be prevented, much like how regenerate is triggered to save a creature from lethal damage.
All damage is dealt simultaneously, so to prevent some and then another doesn't make logical sense to me.

However if something like a {shock} was placed on the stack after the fog, then you could activate the archon's ability to prevent the {shocks} damage (which would resolve first) then the fog kicks in and prevents all other damage post that point?

[Poof]

That's what I thought but the ruling says if two prevention effects are trying to modify something in this example it'd be combat damage it says choose one and apply it then check to see if the others apply still which would be fog but would this check happen after the event takes place?  Meaning u choose the archon prevention effect combat damage goes through then you check for fog to see if it still applies which it does but wouldn't matter since combat damage passed?  Meaning u took the extra damage archon didn't prevent even with fog resolved.  Because if u applied fog first then archon ability wouldnt happen

[BlackJester]

Read 616.1. Say you have a 3/3 and a 4/4 attacking you. You use choose x=4 and cast fog too. Now when combat damage is about to happen, there are two effects trying to prevent four points worth. You let the Archion prevent that and fog does the rest. Simple.

[scarsabrex]

Doesn't damage need to happen to be prevented? I mean asigning damage shouldn't be enough, it actually has to be dealt to be prevented, much like how regenerate is triggered to save a creature from lethal damage.
All damage is dealt simultaneously, so to prevent some and then another doesn't make logical sense to me.

However if something like a {shock} was placed on the stack after the fog, then you could activate the archon's ability to prevent the {shocks} damage (which would resolve first) then the fog kicks in and prevents all other damage post that point?

first of all fog never prevents shock in any circumstance. second what you have going here are 2 replacement effects (both damage prevention). the player who controls the effects can use them whichever order they want like a layer of filters. If you let the fog filter be used first the archon filter sits unused still waiting, put the archon filter first and it does its job, the fog cleans up the rest of combat damage

[Wally]

Um I never suggested that the fog would stop the shock, please re-read, I was talking about the stack.

[scarsabrex]

Um I never suggested that the fog would stop the shock, please re-read, I was talking about the stack.

yeah but using shock was a bad example since there is little reason to stack it on fog. when you could just cast it any other time, end of turn, after combat, after fog resolves.

[Greg54js]

Um I never suggested that the fog would stop the shock, please re-read, I was talking about the stack.

yeah but using shock was a bad example since there is little reason to stack it on fog. when you could just cast it any other time, end of turn, after combat, after fog resolves.

Okay I think the point was missed. Everyone knows fog doesn't stop shock. The point was the stacking explanation.