Ascendancy and Poly Jest

Started by Mattao19, October 18, 2014, 03:19:09 AM

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Destore117

Quote from: Remillo on October 19, 2014, 02:39:48 PM
Quote from: Destore117 on October 19, 2014, 01:59:04 PM
613.8.: One continuous effect can override another. Sometimes the results of one effect determine whether another effect applies or what another effect does.

Example: Two effects are affecting the same creature: one from an Aura that says "Enchanted creature gains flying" and one from an Aura that says "Enchanted creature loses flying." Neither of these depends on the other, since nothing changes what they affect or what they're doing to it. Applying them in timestamp order means the one that was generated last "wins." The same process would be followed, and the same result reached, if either of the effects had a duration (such as "Target creature loses flying until end of turn") or came from a non-Aura source (such as "All creatures lose flying").
Example: One effect reads, "White creatures get +1/+1," and another reads, "Enchanted creature is white." The enchanted creature gets +1/+1 from the first effect, regardless of its previous color.

So the creature had burning anger's affect from the enchantment. However. Jest was applied last. And says they have no abilities until end of turn. Now the enchantment wants it to have that ability but you use that nifty little time stamp there that says no abilities

Now. If he gave it a second {Burning Anger} then you'd have a problem
But as it is, the creature loses burning anger's ability until the end of the turn.

However, the important part is that losing the source of an ability on the stack (in this case, the Burning Anger's granted Tap ability) doesn't remove that object from the stack.  The ability, already activated, will still proceed to resolve as normal.
Yes but I was under the impression he was worried about mr frog untapping and dealing another 8-9 damage using Burning Anger's ability a second time. Which since it doesn't have that ability for the rest of the turn, he has no worries.

Oldschoolmtgnoob

What if you {erase}d the BA in response? No jest or anything. Would it still resolve then go away?

Destore117

Quote from: Oldschoolmtgnoob on October 19, 2014, 05:25:56 PM
What if you {erase}d the BA in response? No jest or anything. Would it still resolve then go away?
Abilities are independent of sources
So it'd be like they tapped for BA
Ability goes on stack
You play erase the enchantment
Erase exiles BA
Ability hits you
End of stack (unless someone else had anything else they did after your erase)

Kaylesh


Remillo

I prefer:

"If I throw a Grenade at you and you shoot me, that doesn't stop the grenade from blowing up in your face"

Oldschoolmtgnoob

You use the bathroom, make a doody, and suddenly get pulled into the torrid zone through a fiery vortex...doesn't take the doody smell away.

I get it now!

particle

Quote from: Oldschoolmtgnoob on October 20, 2014, 03:35:14 PM
You use the bathroom, make a doody, and suddenly get pulled into the torrid zone through a fiery vortex...doesn't take the doody smell away.

I get it now!

lolz...