Trample + Protection

Started by Pakamper, March 31, 2012, 12:45:43 PM

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Pakamper

Ok so if my opponet has a creature thats protection from all colors and I have a creature with trample that is far more powerful than that creatures toughness. Does the trample damage run through? What about indestructable creatures?

BlackJester

For trample, you need to assign only enough damage that would destroy the creature. Everything else tramples over.

If you attack with your 6/5 trampler and it gets blocked by a 2/2 indestructible or protection from all colors (it's the same for this) then you assign 2 damage to the creature and the rest to the player.

BlackJester

Pro tip:

If a creature has both trample and Deathtouch, it only needs to assign one point to the blocker, no matter HOW big it is.
Say a 7/1 trampler is given Deathtouch. It gets blocked by a 10/10 {Progenitus}. Lo and behold, the 7/1 assigns 1 damage to the avatar, which still survives, and sends the next 6 right through to the player. 👿

Hays413

Quote from: BlackJester on March 31, 2012, 01:07:51 PM
Pro tip:

If a creature has both trample and Deathtouch, it only needs to assign one point to the blocker, no matter HOW big it is.
Say a 7/1 trampler is given Deathtouch. It gets blocked by a 10/10 {Progenitus}. Lo and behold, the 7/1 assigns 1 damage to the avatar, which still survives, and sends the next 6 right through to the player. 👿

You blew my mind hole

And for clarification, the 7/1 dies of course right?

BlackJester

Quote from: Hays413 on March 31, 2012, 01:10:12 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on March 31, 2012, 01:07:51 PM
Pro tip:

If a creature has both trample and Deathtouch, it only needs to assign one point to the blocker, no matter HOW big it is.
Say a 7/1 trampler is given Deathtouch. It gets blocked by a 10/10 {Progenitus}. Lo and behold, the 7/1 assigns 1 damage to the avatar, which still survives, and sends the next 6 right through to the player. 👿


You blew my mind hole

And for clarification, the 7/1 dies of course right?
Of course.

Pakamper

Quote from: BlackJester on March 31, 2012, 01:07:51 PM
Pro tip:

If a creature has both trample and Deathtouch, it only needs to assign one point to the blocker, no matter HOW big it is.
Say a 7/1 trampler is given Deathtouch. It gets blocked by a 10/10 {Progenitus}. Lo and behold, the 7/1 assigns 1 damage to the avatar, which still survives, and sends the next 6 right through to the player. 👿
Woa, woa, woa, What? Wait, how does the deathtouch figure into the trample???

BlackJester

Let's see that in an instant replay:

CR702.2b Any nonzero amount of combat damage assigned to a creature by a source with deathtouch is considered to be lethal damage, regardless of that creature's toughness. See rules 510.1c-d.

And

CR702.18b The controller of an attacking creature with trample first assigns damage to the creature(s) blocking it. Once all those blocking creatures are assigned LETHAL DAMAGE, any remaining damage is assigned as its controller chooses among those blocking creatures and the player or planeswalker the creature is attacking. When checking for assigned lethal damage, take into account damage already marked on the creature and damage from other creatures that's being assigned during the same combat damage step, but not any abilities or effects that might change the amount of damage that's actually dealt. The attacking creature's controller need not assign lethal damage to all those blocking creatures but in that case can't assign any damage to the player or planeswalker it's attacking.

BlackJester

Also from CR:

Example: A 6/6 green creature with trample is blocked by a 2/2 creature with protection from green. The attacking creature's controller must assign at least 2 damage to the blocker, even though that damage will be prevented by the blocker's protection ability. The attacking creature's controller can divide the rest of the damage as he or she chooses between the blocking creature and the defending player.

Embroysia

A little off topic, but what if first strike goes against an indestructible?

For example: A 5/3 indestructible creature blocks a 6/5 first strike creature. The first strike would deal 6 damage first, which could not kill the 5/3 due to indestructible, but does combat then stop like with regeneration or does the 5/3 then deal 5 damage killing the 6/5?

Wally

Quote from: Embroysia on March 31, 2012, 04:41:30 PM
A little off topic, but what if first strike goes against an indestructible?

For example: A 5/3 indestructible creature blocks a 6/5 first strike creature. The first strike would deal 6 damage first, which could not kill the 5/3 due to indestructible, but does combat then stop like with regeneration or does the 5/3 then deal 5 damage killing the 6/5?

Yep the normal attack of the 5/3 indestructible blocker will kill the 6/5 first striker.

BlackJester

Quote from: Embroysia on March 31, 2012, 04:41:30 PM
A little off topic, but what if first strike goes against an indestructible?

For example: A 5/3 indestructible creature blocks a 6/5 first strike creature. The first strike would deal 6 damage first, which could not kill the 5/3 due to indestructible, but does combat then stop like with regeneration or does the 5/3 then deal 5 damage killing the 6/5?
The indestructible creature will kill the first striker in the second combat step.

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