PlAneswalkers loyalty counters

Started by An Angry Fatman, September 03, 2013, 04:41:17 PM

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An Angry Fatman

Can you respond to a trigger of a planeswalker? Chandra on the field and he activates her +1 ability. Can I spear to kill her befor the ability resolves?

Avnger345

Her +1 has already happened to make ability trigger.  Your spear can be put on stack, but it will only knock her down to 1 counter. Her +1 ability still goes off

Avnger345

You asked a similar question about targeting a planeswalker.. It was explained their too.

Vampyvyrus

I'm confused by your answer avenger. If its put on the stack, we can respond to it and if we respond to it....last in first out right?

Avnger345

Please tell us what Chandra your talking about too...

Avnger345

"I am the active player.

I summon Chandra.
I pass priority.
Opponent pass priority.
Chandra spell resolves.

Priority comes back to me.
I activate Chandra's +1 ability.
I pass priority.

By now Chandra would have 4 loyalty counters before opponent can react. "


Keyeto

Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 03, 2013, 04:57:33 PM
I'm confused by your answer avenger. If its put on the stack, we can respond to it and if we respond to it....last in first out right?
Responding isn't the issue. You can respond all you want. The thing is, the loyalty counter will already be added (since adding the loyalty is the cost to activate the ability), and killing her won't stop the ability (since activated abilities are independent of their sources). Hopefully that cleared things up a bit.

Vampyvyrus

Quote from: Keyeto on September 03, 2013, 05:00:34 PM
Quote from: Vampyvyrus on September 03, 2013, 04:57:33 PM
I'm confused by your answer avenger. If its put on the stack, we can respond to it and if we respond to it....last in first out right?
Responding isn't the issue. You can respond all you want. The thing is, the loyalty counter will already be added (since adding the loyalty is the cost to activate the ability), and killing her won't stop the ability (since activated abilities are independent of their sources). Hopefully that cleared things up a bit.
Ah ok I guess that makes more sense when put that way. I didn't realize the +1 is basically the casting cost. Love this app, learn something new everyday.

+1 to you avenger.

An Angry Fatman

It wasn't explained in my other post that's why I posted this one. Thanks for the explanation though. Makes sense now

Zellius

Think of it like this the +1 is the cost to activate the ability not the ability that is on the stack.

Wingnut

This may be a stupid question but can you target a planes walker with a spear? It says player or creature, is a planes walker considered a player or creature? (I honestly ask because it came up today during a game).

Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth

Quote from: CbStrad on September 05, 2013, 10:37:30 PM
Quote from: Wingnut on September 05, 2013, 10:05:18 PM
This may be a stupid question but can you target a planes walker with a spear? It says player or creature, is a planes walker considered a player or creature? (I honestly ask because it came up today during a game).
Technically, no. Here's how it goes down:

1) Opponent has a Walker. Let's say {Domri Rade} at 3.
2) You throw {Searing Spear}. You can target a creature or a player. You target your opponent.
3) To target a Walker, state that you're redirecting the Spear to hit Dom after initially targeting your opponent.

Again. Technically, you can't target a Walker. You can still hit it, though

To simplify, yes. But what you have to say is "I am targeting you with the [burn spell] and redirecting the damage to [Planeswalker]"

MementoMori

You actually don't have to say whether you're redirecting damage from a player to that player's walker until the spell or ability resolves.