Deathtouch vs Protecion

Started by Dman, March 30, 2013, 10:50:36 PM

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Dman

 I'm attacking Akroma, Angel of Fury with Holy Mantle attached with my Vampire Nighthawk with several Exalted counters...
Does the Protection from Creatures rule out both Deathtouch and Lifelink??

Thanks

Hays413

{Akroma, Angel of Fury}
{Holy Mantle}
{Vampire Nighthawk}

Dman

My opponent has Akroma with Holy Mantle. I have Nighthawk...
Does Nighthawk still destroy Akroma?

MisterJH

'Protection from X' protects from combat damage. Deathtouch and lifelink are dependant upon combat damage, therefore neither will trigger.

Dman

Thanks, our argument was based off of the 'Any amount' part.

Bman0121

No because deathtouch states that the creature has to deal damage and the akroma has protection from creatures inwhich it cant be dealt damage by creatures so no damage dealt equals no deathtouch killing angel

MisterJH

0 damage does not qualify as combat damage in any situation, for future reference. If {ornithopter} were to attack for 0 damage you could not have that trigger or effect 'deal damage' effects.

Keyeto

This whole thing is irrelevant. While its true that deathtouch requires damage to be dealt, and it can't be dealt damage, no creature could block her in the first place. Protection covers the following:

D: Damage
E: Equipment/Enchantments
B: Blocking
T: Targeting

Good way to remember it: DEBT. Akroma can't be dealt damage by the creature in the first place, as no creature with deathtouch could block her.

MisterJH

He is attacking with the nighthawk, his opponent has the akroma.

His wording is just odd.

Keyeto

Quote from: MisterJH on March 31, 2013, 12:09:09 AM
He is attacking with the nighthawk, his opponent has the akroma.

His wording is just odd.
Ohhhhh alright then. You can semi-ignore my statement then lol.
Carry on! Sorry if it caused any confusion.

Dman

Yes, apologies for the wording lol I tried to re-state the situation in a later reply. But we got it. Thanks again to all the help :-)
I just wish my Nighthawk could have finished her!