Infinite death loop?

[Flashley_ska]

Really not sure if this one works as I'm reading it, so please discuss:
{Sidisi's Faithful} with {Deathrender} attached, and another {Sidisi's Faithful} in hand.
When the equipped faithful dies, could you kick off a loop by bringing in the card from hand and attaching the artifact, declaring it exploits itself, and then fetching the other faithful from the graveyard?
I figure this works as when you sac it for the exploit, it's not already in gy to be fetched, so the fetched card must be in your hand by the time it dies, right??
Thanks

[LinkCelestrial]

This doesn't work. {Sidisi's Faithful} will be in the graveyard when the trigger is resolving as it's part of the cost. However something like {Gravedigger} x2 with {Deathrender} and a sac outlet like {Bloodflow Connoisseur} or {Viscera Seer} would work.

Have {Gravedigger} out equipped with {Deathrender}. Have a sac outlet and another {Gravedigger} in hand.

Sac {Gravedigger}, attach {Deathrender} to the one from your hand, trigger the enters the battlefield and get the sac'd {Gravedigger} back. Repeat. Infinite triggers of your sac outlet, infinite enters the battlefield, infinite leaves the battlefield.

{Grave Pact} and {Dictate of Erebos} for infinite wipe.

{Impact Tremors}, {Warstorm Surge} and {Purphoros, God of the Forge} for infinite damage.

{Altar of the Brood}, {Altar of Dementia} for infinite mill.

{Bloodflow Connoisseur} for infinite counters.

{Viscera Seer} for infinite scry.

{Ashnod's Altar} for infinite colorless mana.

{Phyrexian Altar} infinite coloured mana.

[Remillo]

Really not sure if this one works as I'm reading it, so please discuss:
{Sidisi's Faithful} with {Deathrender} attached, and another {Sidisi's Faithful} in hand.
When the equipped faithful dies, could you kick off a loop by bringing in the card from hand and attaching the artifact, declaring it exploits itself, and then fetching the other faithful from the graveyard?
I figure this works as when you sac it for the exploit, it's not already in gy to be fetched, so the fetched card must be in your hand by the time it dies, right??
Thanks

This does actually work (and could actually work with just one Faithful if you have another way to trigger Deathrender's ability)!

1) If you have a Faithful with a Deathrender equipped and sacrifice it somehow, Deathrender's ability will go on the stack.
2) When death Render's ability resolves, you put another Faithful onto the battlefield and attach Deathrender to it.
3) The Exploit ability now goes on the stack, for which you choose to sacrifice the Faithful with the Deathrender on it.
4) Because both Death Render's ability and the "When this creature exploits" trigger both fire off of the same event (the Faithful dying), you choose how to stack them.
5) You resolve the Exploit ability first, and grab either Faithful back to your hand. The one your sacrificed is totally a legal target since it's already in the graveyard when the trigger goes off.  In fact, it being put in the graveyard is what triggered the abilities in the first place!
6) Then you resolve the Deathrender ability and put the Faithful back on the battlefield with Deathrender attached to it, triggering Exploit again.
7) Go back to number 3 and repeat forever.

If you have some other way of triggering Deathrender's ability, you can kick off the chain with just one Faithful in hand, since it can be returned by its own ability!

[Kaylesh]

Really not sure if this one works as I'm reading it, so please discuss:
{Sidisi's Faithful} with {Deathrender} attached, and another {Sidisi's Faithful} in hand.
When the equipped faithful dies, could you kick off a loop by bringing in the card from hand and attaching the artifact, declaring it exploits itself, and then fetching the other faithful from the graveyard?
I figure this works as when you sac it for the exploit, it's not already in gy to be fetched, so the fetched card must be in your hand by the time it dies, right??
Thanks

This does actually work (and could actually work with just one Faithful if you have another way to trigger Deathrender's ability)!

1) If you have a Faithful with a Deathrender equipped and sacrifice it somehow, Deathrender's ability will go on the stack.
2) When death Render's ability resolves, you put another Faithful onto the battlefield and attach Deathrender to it.
3) The Exploit ability now goes on the stack, for which you choose to sacrifice the Faithful with the Deathrender on it.
4) Because both Death Render's ability and the "When this creature exploits" trigger both fire off of the same event (the Faithful dying), you choose how to stack them.
5) You resolve the Exploit ability first, and grab either Faithful back to your hand. The one your sacrificed is totally a legal target since it's already in the graveyard when the trigger goes off.  In fact, it being put in the graveyard is what triggered the abilities in the first place!
6) Then you resolve the Deathrender ability and put the Faithful back on the battlefield with Deathrender attached to it, triggering Exploit again.
7) Go back to number 3 and repeat forever.

If you have some other way of triggering Deathrender's ability, you can kick off the chain with just one Faithful in hand, since it can be returned by its own ability!

@5: Thing is, you sac Faithful as a cost. By the time the abilities hit the stack, your faithful is in the yard, so not a legal target.

[Munchlax]

Two {myr retrievers} and a {Heartless Summoning} is kind of just better because it allows infinite storm count

[LinkCelestrial]

Two {myr retrievers} and a {Heartless Summoning} is kind of just better because it allows infinite storm count

Not really. It's better because it's one less card.

[Remillo]

And now I feel silly because I didn't realize the Faithful returned a creature on the board, not from the yard.  Disregard my rambling!

[Dsx Cherno]

Two {myr retrievers} and a {Heartless Summoning} is kind of just better because it allows infinite storm count

I might rework my {Minds Desire} deck to incorporate this

[Flashley_ska]

Yeah apologies all. I was totally misreading the faithful, thinking they were yard fetch not return from play!
Doh! Glad to see I wasn't the only one who got this wrong, hehe. Thanks to those who posted anyway!

[MommaB]

Two {myr retrievers} and a {Heartless Summoning} is kind of just better because it allows infinite storm count

Not really. It's better because it's one less card.

It is if you add  {Altar of the Brood}