Ruling needed

[PrEZchoICE1]

So my friend and I need a ruling help. He has {Prophetic Flamespeaker} and is attacking I have a 1/1 token Im blocking with. He declares combat damage one to token one to me because of trample and hits {Titans Strength} on the topdeck which he immediately casts. Does he get an extra 3 triggers off flamespeaker?

[PrEZchoICE1]

In the event he gets the triggers which happens first the triggers or the scry?

[VQMracing]

By getting the triggers you mean giving him the. +3/+1? If so, combat damage has already been dealt in order to reveal and exile the {titan's strength}. The creature would get pumped with nothing to do and he would scry. With no extra damage being dealt to you besides the 1

[VQMracing]

510.2.: Second, all combat damage that's been assigned is dealt simultaneously. This turn-based action doesn't use the stack. No player has the chance to cast spells or activate abilities between the time combat damage is assigned and the time it's dealt. This is a change from previous rules.

I feel like this will help

[rarehuntertay]

If he didn't have anything to block during the "first strike" phase, then yes he could when he goes to declare normal combat damage.

But since he blocked with a token, that absorbed the first strike damage. Then normal combat damage would occur, hitting you for 1. Flamespeaker's ability would trigger. He can still cast the {Titan's Strength}, but no combat damage would be assigned, unless he had a way to gain additional combat phases.

[Pleeb]

If he didn't have anything to block during the "first strike" phase, then yes he could when he goes to declare normal combat damage.

But since he blocked with a token, that absorbed the first strike damage. Then normal combat damage would occur, hitting you for 1. Flamespeaker's ability would trigger. He can still cast the {Titan's Strength}, but no combat damage would be assigned, unless he had a way to gain additional combat phases.

This. Once damage is done, you can't come back and say "I want to add this damage now".  See the quoted rule above.

[PrEZchoICE1]

Thank You all for your input

[sithantic]

So, in the case of the Flamespeaker, who has double strike and draw a card, if I draw Titan's Strength after the first strike phase, I'm not allowed to cast it before normal combat phase? Assuming no blockers, of course.

[rarehuntertay]

So, in the case of the Flamespeaker, who has double strike and draw a card, if I draw Titan's Strength after the first strike phase, I'm not allowed to cast it before normal combat phase?

As far as I know, you can.
1) first strike damage to opponent
2) flamespeaker's ability triggers and goes on stack
3) wait for responses, then resolve the stack
4) flamespeakers ability resolves, drawing {titan's strength}
5) you can then cast {titan's strength} at anytime before the next Cimbat Damage Step

[Ekann1]

So, in the case of the Flamespeaker, who has double strike and draw a card, if I draw Titan's Strength after the first strike phase, I'm not allowed to cast it before normal combat phase?

As far as I know, you can.
1) first strike damage to opponent
2) flamespeaker's ability triggers and goes on stack
3) wait for responses, then resolve the stack
4) flamespeakers ability resolves, drawing {titan's strength}
5) you can then cast {titan's strength} at anytime before the next Cimbat Damage Step

This is true. If you exiled titan's strength after first strike damage you could cast it. Keep in mind you aren't drawing it.

In the original question the Flamespeaker was blocked by a 1/1 and so the first strike damage killed that and didn't trample over until the normal combat damage step.

[PrEZchoICE1]

So the exile to Titans would be the declared damage and anything added to that ie said titans strength would not cause flamespeaker to trigger again, correct?

[Pleeb]

Let me try going over the events again and hopefully get rid of some confusion.

Declare arrack with flamespeaker (1/3 double strike trample).
Opponent blocks with a 1/1 token creature.
First strike damage occurres. Token creature takes 1 point of damage and is sent to the GY as a state based action
Normal damage occurres and the opponent takes 1 point of trample damage.
Flame speakers triggered ability is placed on the stack.
Ability resolves and {giant growth} (I can't remember the spell in the previous example) is exiled
The question was, can the exiled spell be used to increase the damage to the opponent. The answer is no because damage has already been assigned. If first strike damage had hit the player, it could then be cast to add to the damage in the normal damage phase, but wouldn't be retroactive to the first strike damage.

[PrEZchoICE1]

Let me try going over the events again and hopefully get rid of some confusion.

Declare arrack with flamespeaker (1/3 double strike trample).
Opponent blocks with a 1/1 token creature.
First strike damage occurres. Token creature takes 1 point of damage and is sent to the GY as a state based action
Normal damage occurres and the opponent takes 1 point of trample damage.
Flame speakers triggered ability is placed on the stack.
Ability resolves and {giant growth} (I can't remember the spell in the previous example) is exiled
The question was, can the exiled spell be used to increase the damage to the opponent. The answer is no because damage has already been assigned. If first strike damage had hit the player, it could then be cast to add to the damage in the normal damage phase, but wouldn't be retroactive to the first strike damage.

Thanks for the clarification much appreciated will come in handy this weekend I think