Ovinomancer, Splinter Twin, ETB Triggers

Started by Deathseide, February 04, 2013, 04:47:37 PM

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Deathseide

Just wishing to resolve a bit of an argument a friend of mine and I are having over a creature which says you have to bounce 3 lands or sacrifice it when it comes into play.
Giving a scenario in which the creature had been played and the effect cost met, then a {splinter twin} was cast on the creature.
The token copy has the same cost effect as the original card, yet now has haste,

My question is this.
Can the copy token created by the {splinter twin} use it's tap ability before you have to pay the bounce or sacrifice condition?

Wally

Can you link the card in question? That will help greatly at getting a resolution to your problem :)

prayos

The land bounce is part of the condition of it staying in play. I would say that you'd have to pay that before you can tap it.  But I might be wrong.

Keyeto

Is it {Ovinomancer}?
If so, yes, your token can use the tap ability in response to the ETB trigger. This will, destroy your token in the process, of course.

prayos

Quote from: Keyeto on February 04, 2013, 04:59:00 PM
Is it {Ovinomancer}?
If so, yes, your token can use the tap ability in response to the ETB trigger. This will, destroy your token in the process, of course.

Yeah, looking at it, that would be a triggered ability on the stack, and you can tap in response.  Good call Keyeto.

Imdowd80

but its an ETB, so once it enters doesnt that cost have to be met? or is this a stack thing, where casting resolves creature ETB, then the ETB effect is put on the stack, giving you time to tap a creature with haste.

Keyeto

Quote from: Imdowd80 on February 04, 2013, 05:41:19 PM
but its an ETB, so once it enters doesnt that cost have to be met? or is this a stack thing, where casting resolves creature ETB, then the ETB effect is put on the stack, giving you time to tap a creature with haste.

It's a stack thing. See rule 603.3 for how to deal with triggers, and 603.6a for more on ETB effects.

Deathseide

Your welcome, and thank you all for clarifying it

Coffee Vampire

Great answer, testset...I would +1 you but it hasn't been 24 hours. Lmao