Gideon

[All-Mana Mania]

What do you guys think about the new  {Gideon, Champion of Justice}? I think he is actually a really good planeswalker but not as good as  {Gideon Jura}

[Silent1236]

Not gonna lie, I think he is garbage.  Almost utterly worthless against a low-creature deck, and even against a deck with a lot of creatures not very good.  Getting him to 15 (16 if you want him to live) would mean they have a lot of creatures, which means you're probably dead anyway.  Just doesn't seem playable at all IMO

He definitely makes me miss {Gideon Jura}

[Rass]

I can see him being a fun card to build around that takes a bunch of set up. Nothing that's gonna change any of the formats but kitchen table games can be different

[Coffee Vampire]

I did some testing, and I found a deck in which he is able to preform rather well in: turbo fog. Allow me to explain.

In the deck I made (cockatrice), the colors were bant plus black, which is used strictly for {Obzedat, Ghost Council}. How gideon plays out in most situations is this: turn 3 (good hand) to 6 (meh hand), gideon comes down. He takes a hit maybe. But it never kills him. Then all I have to do is fog once. That's all it takes. By that time he is at 9 or more loyalty, and I boardwipe (I also have {Feeling of Dread}). This leaves me with a plainswalker that can kill in a couple hits, or jus plus a couple more times and ultimate.

What does his ultimate leave me with? A 1/1? No. By this time, I have 8 mana or more. His ultimate costs no mana, so I can float 8. How bout an obzedat after ultimate? Gg.

And of course I don't rely completely on him. I have tamiyo, jace, blah blah blah. The works. Excelt thragtusk. I don't run it in this deck. Though I may if I find something to take out.

In most builds he is garbage though. The only build besides thrno fog he would be good in is esper superfriends. Lingerig souls > gideon > profit city (they can't touch him and you cast other things while they are distracted).

[Silent1236]

Woah woah woah.  My brain didn't feel like thinking things through.  I honestly didn't think of tapping out, then ultimating.  lol and that is why I don't play competitive magic.  Its been a few years, but I still make those kind of mistakes  

Still don't like him though.  I played turbo fog with Jura, and he just did so much!!  CoJ just seems like a let down after Jura for me.

[Coffee Vampire]

I would rather have jura too, but while jura is better on his own, you can't evaluate champion the same way. Champion is good with support in ways jra could never be.

Jura died to go for the throat. Champion swings shamelessly for 10 without fear except for 2 charms. And against those colors, you can just go for ultimate instead if you think they have the charm.

I did like jura's removal though. I don't care about not forcing my opponent to attack my champion because they do it anyways.

[InfinitiveDivinity]

I did some testing, and I found a deck in which he is able to preform rather well in: turbo fog. Allow me to explain.

In the deck I made (cockatrice), the colors were bant plus black, which is used strictly for {Obzedat, Ghost Council}. How gideon plays out in most situations is this: turn 3 (good hand) to 6 (meh hand), gideon comes down. He takes a hit maybe. But it never kills him. Then all I have to do is fog once. That's all it takes. By that time he is at 9 or more loyalty, and I boardwipe (I also have {Feeling of Dread}). This leaves me with a plainswalker that can kill in a couple hits, or jus plus a couple more times and ultimate.

What does his ultimate leave me with? A 1/1? No. By this time, I have 8 mana or more. His ultimate costs no mana, so I can float 8. How bout an obzedat after ultimate? Gg.

And of course I don't rely completely on him. I have tamiyo, jace, blah blah blah. The works. Excelt thragtusk. I don't run it in this deck. Though I may if I find something to take out.

In most builds he is garbage though. The only build besides thrno fog he would be good in is esper superfriends. Lingerig souls > gideon > profit city (they can't touch him and you cast other things while they are distracted).

That actually doesn't sound too bad. Hmm. The deck I wanted him for, he doesn't work for. I wanted an aggressive PW, but I have said even after I changed my mind on him that he would be good in Fog or Superfriends. I just figured there was still a better replacement, but your logic, backed by actual playtesting (Thank you Cockatrice!) makes me {Think Twice} about his place in those decks dude!

[All-Mana Mania]

I have him in my simic deck with a splash of white. He is actually really good with this deck since I have quick easy creature to get out when I use ultimate and 25 lands!!! You guys think he is bad because you just haven't found the right deck for him

[InfinitiveDivinity]

I have him in my simic deck with a splash of white. He is actually really good with this deck since I have quick easy creature to get out when I use ultimate and 25 lands!!! You guys think he is bad because you just haven't found the right deck for him

In a Competetive environment I think that those 2 decks are the only truely viable options, and splinters of those deck archetypes. Not saying that your deck isn't competetive, maybe it is really good, but that's just what I'm seeing right now. If a new deck pops up with him that would be cool, maybe he'll find his way into Junk Tokens, who knows.

[InfinitiveDivinity]

On another note, I think {Illness in the Ranks} is very sideboard worthy. It hurts {Cackling Counterpart}, and shuts down Souls, Haunting and Sorin.

[All-Mana Mania]

On another note, I think {Illness in the Ranks} is very sideboard worthy. It hurts {Cackling Counterpart}, and shuts down Souls, Haunting and Sorin.

Yes that would be effective

[Coffee Vampire]

IKR!!! I am excited for sickness in the ranks. It renders sorin useless until he ultimates, since he can no longer defend himself, and the only creatures a deck running sorin will use have 1 innitial toughness.