This card has been going around allegedly pulled from an M13 pack. What do you guys think, accident, fake, magic promotional stunt?
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-news/rootborn-defenses-return-to-ravnica/
seen this already. it's convincing enough to be real despite one small printing error.
100% fake. Would never happen, card is too overpowered to be a mythic let alone a common, and is missing copywrite text in the picture. Someone just made a hoax for 15 minutes of fame. Don't give it to him.
Probably but Populate seems like too localized to be used for an entire set?
I mean not all guilds will run tokens right?
But maybe.
Quote from: Gorzo on August 01, 2012, 04:56:27 PM
100% fake. Would never happen, card is too overpowered to be a mythic let alone a common, and is missing copywrite text in the picture. Someone just made a hoax for 15 minutes of fame. Don't give it to him.
reread the populae text it isn't broken.
I know how to read. If you don't think copying any token AND making all creatures indestructible at instant speed for only 3 splashable mana isn't broken, then I don't know what to say. Don't talk down assuming I got it wrong because you disagree.
Quote from: Gorzo on August 01, 2012, 05:06:09 PM
I know how to read. If you don't think copying any token AND making all creatures indestructible at instant speed for only 3 splashable mana isn't broken, then I don't know what to say. Don't talk down assuming I got it wrong because you disagree.
it really isn't broken. if you want to get use out of the indestructibility you have to hold it in your hand. (remember reactive cards are always cheaper than proactive cards). and to get any huge benefit from the token effect you have to already have some kind of dedicated token creator e.g. kikki jikki or {followed footsteps}. at no point did I talk down to you. mu statement was base on the fact that you irt responded to gonu's post in the chatroom where he first put the incorrect text for populate before correcting himself.
Watch it be real, I actually hope that it is. Although, aren't the cards in alphabetical order? Because this guy is 19/274...
alphabetical order by color.
Quote from: scarsabrex on August 01, 2012, 05:19:36 PM
alphabetical order by color.
Then it makes sense.
But still how would he get it in a m13 pack?
and two I agree with {Gorzo}. This card is uterlly broken.
We'll see once more of the set is revealed to us, but I kinda believe this guy. If it turns out to be fake, oh well? But if it is, this guy has a sweet ice breaker, and a possible highly sought after misprint.
I'm convinced that this was a promotional stunt by Wizards. Populate is a great mechanic.
I believe it be fake. After reviewing many of the indestructible cards from standard the text does not fit the way MtG has described indestrutibilty in text.
If this by some miracle is real, I'm going to be upset that I got rid of my bajillion {cackling counterpart}s. lol
And scars, my apologies for getting defensive. You have good points, though I still think its too powerful to be real as a common for that mana cost. I only got offended because being told to "re-read" has an insulting overtone to me, which I doubt you meant. Sorry for that.
Quote from: Xanzurth on August 01, 2012, 05:36:52 PM
I believe it be fake. After reviewing many of the indestructible cards from standard the text does not fit the way MtG has described indestrutibilty in text.
{break of day}
to gorzo it's cool I can kind of see how I was coming off as insulting. to me this card is just an revised take on {safe passage}
If a fake, the creator went to a huge amount of trouble. New and guild-appropriate artwork (notice the soldier's shoulder decals match Selesnya's guild logo). It was printed on a card and photographed (you can tell by the graininess.) The art seems to fall in line with Mark Zug's other work.
I'm skeptical because the earlier releases of the designs were very photo-realistic with sharp contrasts and colors, but the style in this seems a different style. The art also doesn't have a "copy" feel to it. It barely has an "indestructibility" feel. Finally, Reminder text for indestructible is "Lethal damage and effects that say "destroy" don't destroy them." This may have changed, but I doubt it.
I can see that, but that keyword seems... So breakable to me. Maybe it's just the Johnny in me, I immediately think of {cackling counterpart} and other permanent token clones, and making a copy of copied nasty with populate plus the card's other effect...
But then again, they printed Cascade. So it's certainly possible they would make another silly combo keyword.
Quote from: Gorzo on August 01, 2012, 04:56:27 PM
100% fake. Would never happen, card is too overpowered to be a mythic let alone a common, and is missing copywrite text in the picture. Someone just made a hoax for 15 minutes of fame. Don't give it to him.
Aw, wanted to make a populate deck. Gorzo is right, I've seen a guy make cards like this and they look extremely good. (Don't worry, they were tokens)
Quote from: BlackJester on August 01, 2012, 05:49:09 PM
If a fake, the creator went to a huge amount of trouble. New and guild-appropriate artwork (notice the soldier's shoulder decals match Selesnya's guild logo). It was printed on a card and photographed (you can tell by the graininess.) The art seems to fall in line with Mark Zug's other work.
I'm skeptical because the earlier releases of the designs were very photo-realistic with sharp contrasts and colors, but the style in this seems a different style. The art also doesn't have a "copy" feel to it. It barely has an "indestructibility" feel. Finally, Reminder text for indestructible is "Lethal damage and effects that say "destroy" don't destroy them." This may have changed, but I doubt it.
wow hoist by my own petard i guess the reminder text would have to look like {break of day}'s then.
edit: I now think this. is a total and utterfake thanks for ruining my fun jester.
{Black Jester, Burster of Bubbles}
{B}{B}
Legendary Tribal Intant - Jester
Target player's day is ruined.
It's possible they thought that saying "Lethal damage" was unnecessary, since non-lethal damage doesn't destroy anything anyway. It IS a cleaner approach, and they are always trying to streamline things. But, they did add "indestructible creatures" which is adding more. *shrug* I still have serious doubts.
(nice Shakespearean reference, btw) ;)
Quote from: Gorzo on August 01, 2012, 05:57:59 PM
{Black Jester, Burster of Bubbles}
{B}{B}
Legendary Tribal Intant - Jester
Target player's day is ruined.
I honestly had to {Stifle} an LOL so I wouldn't get funny looks at work. ;D
BTW, should be {U}{B}. Blue LOVES to ruin days.
We can't rule out the idea of someone having inside help of retrieving art, (not unheard of) using a convincing mechanic, and essentially rewording an existing card. Then print this On an appropriately sized piece of cardstock. This is all very doable but I got the fake-vibe from the wording. Wouldnt it read "Until end of turn..."
{break of day} says otherwise.
I still think its faked. He pulled it in a m13 booster? How stupid does this guy think the world is. Its a good fake but I highly doubt that this card is real.
Something seems off to me:
Shouldn't the reminder text come right after the new ability? And I don't think it would say "to populate". In other abilities, the reminder text does not say "to [ability]". Take proliferate for example. Or soulbond. It just says what to do.
:p seems fake
Quote from: Thorn on August 01, 2012, 11:05:07 PM
I still think its faked. He pulled it in a m13 booster? How stupid does this guy think the world is. Its a good fake but I highly doubt that this card is real.
I wouldn't put a stunt like this past Marketing. I've heard tales that they put a {Black Lotus} or two in Zendikar block boosters as part of the "Adventurers & Treasure Hunting" theme.
We're talking about it right now, that just he kind of thing they want. I'm still skeptical, but it wouldn't truly surprise me either.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on August 02, 2012, 12:02:33 AM
Something seems off to me:
Shouldn't the reminder text come right after the new ability? And I don't think it would say "to populate". In other abilities, the reminder text does not say "to [ability]". Take proliferate for example. Or soulbond. It just says what to do.
:p seems fake
Check out {stand firm} or many scry
Uh, in stand firm the reminder comes right after the ability. Just like other cards. In the supposed rtr card, the reminder for populate comes not after populate, but after the indestructable.
And it mixes in with the indestructible reminder text. Don't know if they normally do that but it didn't seem right.
Really?
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on August 02, 2012, 01:10:24 AM
Uh, in stand firm the reminder comes right after the ability. Just like other cards. In the supposed rtr card, the reminder for populate comes not after populate, but after the indestructable.
Uh, I was referring to the "to" thing
Also it would fit with what MaRo was saying about the guild leader if Azorius.
What I now imagine it to be for the guild leader:
When ~ enters the battlefield, put a creature token into play, then populate.
MaRo was really stressing the three creatures thin at Comic-Con
un the card was selesnya.
Quote from: Nobbert on August 02, 2012, 09:51:15 AM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on August 02, 2012, 01:10:24 AM
Uh, in stand firm the reminder comes right after the ability. Just like other cards. In the supposed rtr card, the reminder for populate comes not after populate, but after the indestructable.
Uh, I was referring to the "to" thing
I forgot I even said that...lulz. Yeah you are right. Scy does say "to scry" instead of just saying what to do.
Quote from: KangaRod on August 02, 2012, 02:35:05 AM
I certainly don't think this a broken card at all.
If its real, it wont even see play beyond limited prob.
-edit-
My buddy told he it's been confirmed and bro was contacted by wizards of the coast.
Who was contacted?
Many Tokens + This + {Blasphemous Act} ^^
didn't wotc say they wouldn't make common cards complicated? not to say that this card is overly complicated but with two keywords it might beffuddle a new player.
After research, I'm still not 100% in either direction.... :-\
Printed text looks different to me also its a pretty damn low cmc. Ill call fake.
fake until i see something straight from wizards on a wizards or reputable site, reminder text be fishy as a fishmarket, yo
Wizards definitely has a kind of manual of style when they write that stuff
Quote from: Maximo on August 02, 2012, 01:52:12 PM
fake until i see something straight from wizards on a wizards or reputable site, reminder text be fishy as a fishmarket, yo
Wizards definitely has a kind of manual of style when they write that stuff
But they are constantly updating and improving their manual. WotC is always willing to evolve formatting to yield better results.
There seems to be a lot of division on this card for many reasons.
Quote from: Testset on August 02, 2012, 02:21:22 PM
In terms of power, I suppose a way to look at it is "how exited would I be to see this in a rare or uncommon slot?" Frankly, I'd MUCH rather have something like an {Oblivion Ring}, {Acidic Slime}, or {Vampire Nighthawk}. It won't function in a non-token deck, and unless you happen to have a creature token AND a reason to need a one-time use of Mass Indestructibility, it's no 2-for-1. At a mana cost of {2}{W}, I think common is appropriate for the card. Even if not a hoax, I don't think most people would run it.
I do know that I want it for my human deck. I would love to Populate my 5/5 Demon tokens...
Think of it like a variation on {Safe Passage} with a bonus if you have a token. Works against {Day of Judgment} but not {Mutilate}. Doesn't protect you.
And you don't need a token to cast it, since it doesn't target.
Although, if they DO make this card, here's my preemptive combo:
{Archaeomancer} + {Cackling Counterpart} + {Rootborn Defenses}
(on second thought, is the Defenses needed? XD)
Get a {Fervor} in play first!
Quote from: BlackJester on August 02, 2012, 03:43:29 PM
Although, if they DO make this card, here's my preemptive combo:
{Archaeomancer} + {Cackling Counterpart} + {Rootborn Defenses}
(on second thought, is the Defenses needed? XD)
Thats an infinate combo isnt it? Well, as infinate as your mana allows
Quote from: GoJuDragon on August 02, 2012, 03:46:25 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 02, 2012, 03:43:29 PM
Although, if they DO make this card, here's my preemptive combo:
{Archaeomancer} + {Cackling Counterpart} + {Rootborn Defenses}
(on second thought, is the Defenses needed? XD)
Thats an infinate combo isnt it? Well, as infinate as your mana allows
Yeah, but what are you REALLY getting? {1}{U}{U} or {2}{W}: put a 1/2 onto the Battlefield. Underwhelming, but funny!
Quote from: Testset on August 03, 2012, 03:27:32 PM
Remember, {Safe Passage} has the added bonus of preventing damage coming at you, not just your creatures.
True, but indestructibility protects your creatures from destroy effects instead of just damage. You'd be able to use this to stop doom blades, board wipes (your side only - opponents will still die), etc...
Guys, I'm definite it's ral. I just opened one.
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Quote from: Fishsticks123 on August 03, 2012, 03:56:28 PM
Guys, I'm definite it's ral. I just opened one.
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Mhm, sure
Quote from: AgrusKos on August 03, 2012, 03:58:44 PM
Quote from: Fishsticks123 on August 03, 2012, 03:56:28 PM
Guys, I'm definite it's ral. I just opened one.
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Mhm, sure
Fishsticks. Do you seriously expect is to belive you.
Quote from: Thorn on August 03, 2012, 04:00:07 PM
Quote from: AgrusKos on August 03, 2012, 03:58:44 PM
Quote from: Fishsticks123 on August 03, 2012, 03:56:28 PM
Guys, I'm definite it's ral. I just opened one.
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Mhm, sure
Fishsticks. Do you seriously expect is to belive you.
Yes.
Well sorry I do not.
If you post pics then I will accept it but until you show pics or wizards confirms this card do not belive its real or belive you.
Quote from: Fishsticks123 on August 03, 2012, 04:01:13 PM
Quote from: Thorn on August 03, 2012, 04:00:07 PM
Quote from: AgrusKos on August 03, 2012, 03:58:44 PM
Quote from: Fishsticks123 on August 03, 2012, 03:56:28 PM
Guys, I'm definite it's ral. I just opened one.
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Mhm, sure
Fishsticks. Do you seriously expect is to belive you.
Yes.
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Quote from: JaCe BeLeReN on August 03, 2012, 04:54:07 PM
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<3 not sure if Fry
Its a joke people! Lighten up! Too much hate on this forum lately... Everyone seems to be on the edge since a certain someone started to hostilize our community enviroment.
who?
Nobody here but us chickens. *bawlk*
Quote from: KangaRod on August 03, 2012, 06:00:06 PM
Wizards has confirmed it. Jeeze
Really? Not that I'm dubious, but do you have a link? I'd like to see this.
I just read a spanish article at magicmadrid.com that showed another photo of the card being held by the guy who spoiled it. It also notes the lack lf copyright O: idk i haven't read anything from wotc.
And yeah after some thought, it's not really broken considering it as a smaller safe passage. It'd definitely be op if it gave protectioninstead of indestructibility.
Wizards revised the copyright rule. Check FTV spoilers I think .......
EDIT:
From mtgsalvation that the guy actually bought it to one of the shops and confirmed its real they saw him buy the pack etc etc.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=436063